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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:44 PM
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Could the US media be protecting the Clintons in the Sibel Edmonds case?
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 02:04 PM by Zueda
From what little information we have we know that Dems like Lantos may be implicated... is it possible the Clintons are too?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/congress/1997_cr/971031-iran.htm

The second example. I heard about a briefing from a Russian expert at Lawrence Livermore Laboratory 2 years ago called Silver Bullets about emerging Russian technology. As the chairman of the House research committee on defense, I asked for that briefing. For 6 months, I was denied the briefing. During the 6 months, I got an anonymous letter in my office which I have kept. The anonymous letter was addressed to me, no return address, no signature. It said, `Congressman Weldon, please continue to ask for this brief.'


A third example was the direct removal of Jay Stewart from his position as the person in charge of security for the Department of Energy intelligence operation monitoring Russian nuclear material. That case has been documented. Jay Stewart has been before my committee. Jay Stewart was removed from his position because he was saying things that people in the White House did not want to listen to. This is not America, Mr. Speaker. That is why we are where we are today. That is why Iran has a capability that is going to threaten America, threaten our troops and threaten our allies. I would encourage our colleagues to cosponsor Impact 97 so that we have the protection we need 12 months from now to defeat Iran in its effort to destabilize the entire world community.


Why was this Jay Stewart guy let go?

Who remembers all this crap regarding the selling of nuke secrets to China?

http://www.cnn.com/US/9903/10/nuclear.secrets.02/

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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:47 PM
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1. just for the record, there is no apostrophe in clintons, plural
let's see, WHO started the war in iraq? I am pretty sure it wasn't president clinton.

and the nuclear secrets thing was debunked a long time ago.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 01:50 PM
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2. Thanks for the grammar correction...
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 01:52 PM by Zueda
This isn't about Iraq....though they did play a role...no?
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:03 PM
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3. by the way, it is edmonds.
Sibel Edmonds: A Patriot Silenced, Unjustly Fired but Fighting Back to Help Keep America Safe (1/26/2005)

Watch excerpts from Sibel Edmonds's speech at the press conference >>

Sibel Edmonds, a 32-year-old Turkish-American, was hired as a translator by the FBI shortly after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 because of her knowledge of Middle Eastern languages. She was fired less than a year later in March 2002 for reporting shoddy work and security breaches to her supervisors that could have prevented those attacks.

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/18828res20050126.html

by the way, since she was hired AFTER 9/11, exactly how does former president clinton enter into it?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:19 PM
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4. Weldon had his own Russian issues, and is the last person I'd cite
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 02:28 PM by leveymg
for evidence about alleged foreign influence and espionage issues.

As for the Chinese military, that was a two-way street since the Reagan-Bush Administration decided to give them some technology help as a counter-weight to the Soviets.

Questions about how the Chinese got the W-88 warhead and the "inadvertant" guidance technology transfers through Loral Aerospace and Hughes are a different matter, and was never satisfactory explained.

The Chinese definitely made very effective inroads in terms of theft of Information Technology, and in penetrating American IT industry durng that period. But, that was a function of the generalized opening to the PRC that's occurred since the 1980s. If there's blame to be assessed, it has to be very much bi-partisan. But, I digress.

Back to Weldon's ties to KGB money, according to TPM, that was all linked in with millions in Russian funding going through Abramoff to selected GOP politicians, omething the corporate media chose to virtually ignore outside the back pages of the WaPo, The Hill, and a few other hard to see places. See, http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008249.php



Over at TPMmuckraker.com, Paul Kiel has been walking you through the Russian energy/'security services' thread of the Abramoff scandal.

In short, two executives for the energy company Naftasib (Alexander Koulakovsky and Marina Nevskaya) were spreading money around Washington in the late 1990s looking for friends and favors. They hired Jack Abramoff. Abramoff then acted as the pass through by which Koulakovsky and Nevskaya bankrolled the sham nonprofit, the US Family Network, Tom DeLay's then-Chief of Staff Ed Buckahm set up while he was still on the government payroll. Buckham later used the US Family Network to kick start his lobbying firm Alexander Strategy Group. To make this all a little more complicated the Russian money was funnelled through front outfits in the UK and the Netherlands.

I know the trail of money and the details are rather byzantine. But suffice it to say that these foreign energy executives with what newspapers usually delicately refer to as 'close ties' to Russian security services were pumping millions of dollars into the Abramoff-Buckham-DeLay syndicate. And they were getting a lot in return.

You'll also remember that one of the quids Rep. Bob Ney (R-Toast) was trading for Jack Abramoff's quos were encomiums and hatchet-jobs slipped into the congressional record, for Abramoff's pals and enemies, respectively.

So with all that as background, here are remarks Rep. Curt Weldon (R-PA) inserted into the Congressional Record back on February 4th, 1999 ...


Now, Weldon does fancy himself something of a Russia hand. Indeed, his daughter, when she was only in her late 20s, set up a lobbying firm that seemed to specialize in getting fat contracts from Russian and Serbian interests which ended up getting favors from her dad. Indeed, one of them was Itera International Energy Corp, another Russian energy outfit with ties of various sorts to Russian government officials.

But I digress.

Whatever the deal with Itera, what was Weldon's thing with Koulakovsky? This guy was funnelling millions of dollars into the DeLay machine. His shenanigans and deals with DeLay, Abramoff and Buckham are a central part of the on-going federal corruption probe. Weldon seems to have thought he was a really, really great guy.

Why?


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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:24 PM
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5. That's what I'm supspecting...
The Sibel Edmonds case so far appears to be bi-partisan. And from I can tell happened under the noses of the Bush-Clinton administrations.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:39 PM
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6. Not quite. 9/11 happened on Dubya's watch. Don't forget that, because it's a VERY important
distinction that has to be made.

Ths is what I mean:

The Sibel Edmonds cases goes even higher than the neocons named, and it isn't just about Turkey.

A powerful faction of the foreign policy and intelligence establishment -- centered around former President G.H.W. Bush -- has, since the mid-1970s, been systematically selling off American nuclear technologies and intelligence capabilities to Saudi Arabia and other states.

That arrangement is called The Safari Club. In 1976, then CIA Director Bush sat down with the newly appointed head of Saudi intelligence, Prince al-Turki, and solicited Saudi money to run covert operations that the Democratic Congress had banned in light of the findings of the Church Committee hearings. In exchange for money, the Bush wing of the CIA has been helping the Saudis sponsor the "Islamic bomb" built by Pakistan, and then to build up a powerful global paramilitary capability that we know today as al-Qaeda. See, http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/280

Keep in mind that this arrangement was originally conceived to evade and defeat Democratic Congressional oversight. Subequently it morphed into a multi-billion dollar Saudi slush fund known as Yamamah ("The Dove"), that's become a vehicle to buy off American and British politicans and manipulate government policy. See, http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/303

All this is about as illegal as you can get, and the Saudis and third-countries have been blackmailing and manipulating the Bush family and their confederates ever since. As a result, we've seen lots of drug dealing, looting of banks and corporations, manipulation of markets, and other massive organized criminal enrichment under intelligence cover along with it.

High Treason doesn't get too much more serious and dangerous than this.


The BAE scandal was the funding scheme for Yamamah. Since Thatcher, the Brits have marked up the cost of every plane and radar set sold to (er, warehoused by) the Saudi military, and then kicked back some of this to Prince Bandar and other key members of the Royal family as walking around money. The total slush fund now amounts to about $160 billion.

Every major British pol from Maggie Thatcher to Tony Blair down has had a hand in the Yamamah-BAE slush fund.

Some of this same slush fund money also showed up in the MZM-Cunningham-Dusty Foggo scandal. Cunningham flew to Saudi Arabia along with Tony Kontogionnis, who has ties to the Greek government that has been reportedly trying to broker a deal with Northrop-Grumman to purchase aditional F-16s. After meeting with Crown Prince Abdullah, Kontogionnis then accompanied Cunningham to the White House, where they met with Dubya, twice. See the M.O.? http://journals.democraticunderground.com/leveymg/303

Bottom-line: MZM-Cunningham appears to be part of the American side to the monster scandal involving multi-billion dollar kickbacks from defense contractors to the Saudi Royal family, which has been in turn buying western politicians and intelligence officials for decades. The Chinese and Russians have been doing the same thing, but on a smaller scale, and more recently.

Over the years, the Yamamah slush fund has bankrolled a series of Saudi black operations from Pakistan's nuclear program, to the BCCI rip-off, to the Iran-Contra operation, to the creation of al-Qaeda and political influence buying in the US and UK by various factions of the Royal family.

Every time the US and Britain puts together an arms deal with the Saudis, and now with third-countries such as Turkey and Greece, the overpricing and kickbacks funds a black program, often inside the US and Britain.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:09 PM
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7. true - the Saudi's went directly to Reagan when the SEC slapped them down when they tried to
take control of Washington, DC banking via First American Bank and Chevy Chase S&L - they had to pay a few more folks off and do a few more joint deals with the CIA before they got around the problem - but the Reagan folk/neo-cons/CIA were cheap whores in the end.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:26 PM
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9. BCCI was the funding vehicle for The Safari Club, jointly controlled by the Saudis and Bush's CIA
It funded every illegal black operation from Iran-Contra to the AQ Khan nuclear network.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:33 PM
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10. Not every operation as American Bank was also CIA with Chevy Chase a competitor but
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 03:38 PM by papau
still friendly to the CIA. (meaning I know there were CIA deposits at American Bank - and was told that Chevy Chase was co-operating with the CIA - I do not personally know of CIA deposits at Chevy Chase - and my operation, the life insurance sub of International Bank, handled a payroll function for the CIA in terms of monthly payments to fallen dictators/people of influence - as in a Pakistan fellow whose check was mailed to an account in Europe - that check I saw)

The town was a rather close knit group of CEO's with large egos that were either co-operating with the CIA, or fearful of the CIA, or as in our case at Reagan's buddy Olmstead's "International Bank" - both.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:47 PM
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11. Aside from First American Bancshares, the interesting bank was Jonathan Bush's Riggs
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 04:20 PM by leveymg
operation that served the Saudi Embassy. The wife of then Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar transferred money out of an account there and it went to pay the rent in San Diego for the Flt. 77 hijackers right after they arrived in the US in early 2000. The really funny part of this was that the CIA Counter Terrorism Center (CTC) under Cofer Black was watching these guys as they planned the 9/11 and Cole attacks in Kuala Lumpur.

When the pair landed at Los Angeles International Airport on 01/15/2000, one of the CTC analysts started to draft a cable warning the FBI that they had arrived. That cable was never sent after CTC managers ordered that it be withheld. See,

leveymg's Journal - TORTURE TAPES WEREN'T THE ONLY THINGS ERASED ...Posted by leveymg in General Discussion Wed Dec 12th 2007, 11:51 AM ... Flt.77 hijacker Nawaf Al-Hazmi was also involved in organizing the Cole attack. ...
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BTW: The first private sector job that former CIA Director G.H.W. Bush was given in 1977 after he left the Agency was on the board of several banks owned by Texas banker Joe Allbritton. After the Reagan-Bush Administration took power, Allbritton moved to Washington and bought Riggs Bank.

Kevin Phillips writes about the Bush family's career in banking: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0111-01.htm

Taking the CIA helm in January 1976, Bush cemented strong relations with the intelligence services of both Saudi Arabia and the shah of Iran. He worked closely with Kamal Adham, the head of Saudi intelligence, brother-in-law of King Faisal and an early BCCI insider. After leaving the CIA in January 1977, Bush became chairman of the executive committee of First International Bancshares and its British subsidiary, where, according to journalists Peter Truell and Larry Gurwin in their 1992 book "False Profits," Bush "traveled on the bank's behalf and sometimes marketed to international banks in London, including several Middle Eastern institutions."

Once in the White House, first as vice president to Ronald Reagan and later as president, George H.W. Bush was linked to at least two Middle East-centered scandals. It's never been entirely clear what Bush's connection was to the Iran-Contra affair, in which clandestine arms shipments to Iran, some BCCI-financed, helped illegally fund the operations of the anti-Sandinista Contra rebels in Nicaragua. But in 1992, special prosecutor Lawrence E. Walsh asserted that Bush, despite his protestations, had indeed been "in the loop" on multiple illegal acts.

Much clearer was Bush's pivotal role, both as vice president and president, in "Iraqgate," the hidden aid provided by the U.S. and its military to Saddam Hussein's Iraq in its high-stakes war with Iran during the 1980s. The U.S. is known to have provided both biological cultures that could have been used for weapons and nuclear know-how to the regime, as well as conventional weapons. As ABC-TV broadcaster Ted Koppel put it in a June 1992 "Nightline" program after the 1991 Persian Gulf War: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes through the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into the aggressive power that the United States ultimately had to destroy."

During these years, Bush's four sons — George W., Jeb, Neil and Marvin — were following in the family footsteps, lining up business deals with Saudi, Kuwaiti and Bahraini moneymen and cozying up to BCCI. The Middle East was becoming a convenient family money spigot.



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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:56 PM
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14. true as I later found out (Riggs and American share a wall on Penn across from Treas - but I
did not know of the relationship (the only things I "knew" about were those items I overheard Olmstead or Schultz say (Schultz was the head of the Ins operation)

I had a front row seat for American/Chevy/CIA payroll/Liberia's merchant shipping "flagging operation" (we were the folks that actually ran that so we could flag any ship as needed or track where those ships were being used) and Bert Lance and his games - But I never heard about the Riggs connection until I read about it many years later.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:22 PM
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8. Here's Prince al-Turki, former head of Saudi intelligence, talking about The Safari Club
The following is an excerpt of a 2006 interview with al-Turki, who was then Ambassador, posted at the Saudi Embassy website: http://www.saudiembassy.net/2006News/Statements/TransDetail.asp?cIndex=590

That was just a very small portion of what we did cooperatively with you. Another example, of more strategic and geopolitical significance was during the time when the United States was going through the post Watergate assault on your intelligence services by your Congress. There was the Church committee and so forth. By about 1975 I think there was almost a directive from your Congress that there should be no more intelligence work done outside the US until you had reviewed everything. It ended up having that affect anyway -- the laws that were passed and the regulatory criteria that your Congress put on the intelligence community.

At that time the Soviet Union was expanding into post-colonial Africa. For example, from Portugal there were Mozambique, Angola and various other areas that were just becoming decolonized. They were becoming Marxist regimes. The year before that, in 1974, Ethiopia had gone Marxist. Somalia was still in between, it was still a Marxist regime but they were jealous of the Soviet interests in Ethiopia. Ziad Barre at the time was beginning to try and wean himself away and made a deal with the American government to do something in Berbera, which had almost become a Soviet base at that time.

The French actually came up with the proposition, at that time the Director of Intelligence in France was a man called Comte Alexandre de Marenches. This was during Giscard D’Estaing’s presidency. It was the end of 1974 and Watergate had already taken its toll. I think that President Nixon left office by that time. There was great turmoil and Comte de Marenches made a visit to four countries in our area. He visited the Shah of Iran, he came to visit King Faisal before he died, he went to visit President Sadat and he then went on to visit with King Hassan of Morocco.

His proposition was that our American friends were in trouble, their intelligence collection and capability has been diminished to say the least and literally they didn’t have any more money left to do anything. So we, as friends of the United States, we should get together and try to do something to face the Communist threat on our doorstep in Africa. All the way from the Red Sea, in East Africa to the Atlantic Ocean there was a belt of countries that were turning Communist or sympathizing with the Soviet Union and so on. So the leaders from these four countries agreed to set up what was then called the Safari Club. This was the code name for it. The Safari Club included these four countries, Iran, Egypt, Morocco, Saudi Arabia plus France.

We actually engaged in countering Soviet expansion in all of these areas. Whether by money, by human resources, by intelligence work -- all kinds of skullduggery you can think of in the intelligence field was used. We were successful in some areas. If you remember, in the late 1970s there was an attempt to attack the Congo from Angola with Cuban troops that had been brought by the Soviet Union to support Angolan troops. They were trying to separate the rich province of Shaba in the Congo from the rest of the Congo.

The Safari Club provided the military wherewithal, the money and the intelligence to successfully counter that effort. It also initiated the support for the late Jonas Savimbi in his fight for Angola against the Communist regime in those days by giving him financial aid, intelligence, training and things like that. In Mozambique there were also efforts made. Djibouti was becoming independent at the time and there was a threat to it from Ethiopia which is a next door neighbor. So support was given to Djibouti to become more stable. And so on and so on, this was a very important group of countries that got together in support of the United States which was incapable at the time. We were able to fill the vacuum and provide some kind of assurance even to the African countries who were scared of the Communist threat but couldn’t rely on the United States at the time. All of us informed the United States that this was our activity and that we were going to do it. I think they expressed gratitude at the time and that’s how things worked. The ultimate example of Saudi-US cooperation was Afghanistan. It is well documented. I don’t have to go into detail.


Get the drift? Illegal covert operations, bought and paid for with petrodollars, since the mid-1970s. That was the Nixon-Ford doctrine, a legacy that has been carried out under Republican Presidents right up through 9/11.

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:06 PM
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13. leveymg do you know if PROMIS/INSLAW/PTECH software could be...
the software platform for the money laundering in all of this?

Notice this article, a couple of years old, by William Hamilton who developed PROMIS.

http://oraclesyndicate.twoday.net/stories/2945207/

FBI’s Incapacitating Cover-up
William A. Hamilton / Washington DC

At the end of the article:


The Arab broker identified in the letter headed Saudi Arabia’s National Commercial Bank. INSLAW received a copy of the letter in late 2004 from a U.S. intelligence source, and has since obtained convincing indications of its authenticity.

As agreed, Messrs. Manichur Ghorbanifar, Adnan Khashoggi, and Richard Armitage will broker the transaction of Promise software to Sheik Khalid bin Mahfouz for resale and general distribution as gifts in his region contingent upon the three conditions we last spoke of. Promise must have a soft arrival. No paperwork, customs, or delay. It must be equipped with the special data retrieval unit. As before, you must walk the financial aspects through Credit Suisse into National Commercial Bank. If you encounter any problems contact me directly.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:42 PM
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12. You may be right. Which is why voting in Hillary will mean we'll never
get down to the truth. Or rather, we'll get down to the truth, but the White House won't fess up to it for another four to eight years.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 07:15 PM
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15. Pathetic. The same MSM that pushed for the impeachment over a blow job?
The MSM that published leaks from Starr's Grand Jury and indicted the Clintons on Whitewater, Travelgate, "Sleepovers-gate" when no one ever found evidence that anything had been done wrong? The corporate media that has been calling Hillary a Bitch and which claims that the Clintons "lay traps" and wait malevolently for Obama to make mistakes so that they can capitalize on them, when what they are really talking about is when Obama f**ks up, the Clintons respond like any politicians would--only when it is the Clintons, it has to be B-A-D.

Give me a break.

The people who actually buy this need to start studying the corporate media. All it cares about is keeping Republicans in control of the FCC so that telecommunications companies can continue their wild frenzy of unregulated mergers and expansions.

The people who do not believe this cock and bull story but who are spreading it on DU in order to sling more mud and Divide and Conquer the Democrats should be ashamed of themselves, but then you have no shame, do you.

The Clintons are not all powerful. Hillary does not have witch hoodoo powers. They do not run the Arkansas mafia. The nation's corporations are full of a bunch of sexist old men who hated Bill from day one for giving his wife equal power and those old men will be damned if they will let Hillary or any other woman (except maybe a Republican widow) become president.
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