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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:09 PM
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Edwards, Hillary, Obama, and Rezko
Did Edwards tell a roomful of donors that Hillary privately told him after the last debate that there's more to come on the Obama Rezko story that has yet to be made public?

An Edwards contributor tells The New York Observer that Edwards made the claim at a private fundraiser last night. The Observer directly quotes the donor's account of what Edwards said:

He said that Hillary and Obama have true dislike for each other and that after the most recent debate Hillary mentioned to John in passing that there’s more about Obama and that “slum landlord” that has yet to be disclosed to the public.
The Observer notes that "the source said that Edwards gave no indication that Hillary suggested that it was her campaign that had the Rezko-dirt." And indeed it would be unlikely that Hillary would confide such a thing to an opponent even if it were true.

Interestingly, the response from the Edwards campaign to The Observer, which very generally calls the account "bungled," doesn't really deny (or confirm) that the discussion took place:

Edwards has told reporters he's not going to talk about conversations with other candidates, but based on Monday night's debate with Obama using Wal-Mart and Hillary using Rezko, anyone who thinks this is over missed Senator Clinton's statement that they're just getting warmed up.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/edwards_donor_claims_that_hillary_told_edwards_theres_more_to_come_on_rezko_story.php#comments

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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:10 PM
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1. I hope this isn't true. nt.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:12 PM
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2. You know Hillary's game. She will do anything to get what she wants.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:13 PM
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3. Speaking of the slum lord: Two Pinocchios for Clinton
Clinton was on the Wal-Mart board of directors from 1986 to 1992, while her husband was governor of Arkansas and she was a member of the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock. She has subsequently distanced herself from the Arkansas-based company and has criticized its labor practices. She returned a $5,000 campaign donation from Wal-Mart in 2005.

During the same period, Obama worked as a community organizer in Chicago, attended Harvard Law School and then moved back to Chicago. In 1993, he became an associate lawyer with a small Chicago firm, Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Galland. It was during this time that he first became involved with a real estate developer named Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who was subsequently indicted on charges of fraud, extortion and money laundering and will go on trial on Feb. 25.

According to the Chicago Sun-Times, Obama received $168,000 in campaign contributions from Rezko and his associates after 1995. Obama has denied doing any legal work directly for Rezko or his companies. During Monday night's debate, he said that he had done "about five hours' worth of work" on a joint real estate development project involving Rezko and a Chicago church group.

William Miceli, Obama's supervisor at the law firm, said the firm represented the Woodlawn Preservation and Investment Corp., a nonprofit group that redeveloped a run-down property on Chicago's South Side with Rezko. He called Clinton's assertion that Obama represented Rezko in a slum landlord business "categorically untrue."

"He was a very junior lawyer at the time, who was given responsibility for basic due diligence, document review," said Miceli, adding that Obama did what he was told by the firm. According to Miceli, that was the only time Obama worked on a Rezko-related project while at the law firm.

The story of Obama's relations with Rezko remains murky. Obama has been embarrassed by revelations that he bought a house alongside a lot purchased by Rezko, paying $300,000 less than the asking price. But investigations by Chicago newspapers have not produced evidence that he represented Rezko in a slum landlord business. What has been demonstrated so far is that he did some due diligence legal work for a joint venture between Rezko and a Chicago nonprofit.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/22/AR2008012203513.html?nav=most_emailed

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:14 PM
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4. Obama should come out and just tell the truth about his Rezko connections. Otherwise
the MSM and the blogoshpere will be free to draw their own conclusions.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:14 PM
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5. Didnt he do that like a year ago?
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:20 PM
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9. He's done it at least 2 times on Meet the Press n/t
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:21 PM
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11. Not really. And he is caught in difficult spot. He just gave back $40k from Rezko this past weekend
... and now is trying to say he had no 'inkling' of a problem with Rezko when everyone in Chicago knew Rezko was under investigation at the time the land deal was done with Obama.

There is no damage free exit from this box.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:22 PM
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16.  A sit down Meet the Press type interview NOW should clear up the issue.
Apparently, whatever Obama said about his Rezko connections in the past, did not hold water.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:31 PM
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23. Why do you think it didn't hold water?
His last appearance on MTP was 11/07. I haven't read anything that contradicts what he said on both of those appearances.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:47 PM
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32. There are obviously points that need further clarification. The fact that
we're discussing the issue today, proves my point.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:54 PM
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33. Not really
How many people even listened to what was said on MTP?
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:15 PM
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6. This is very interesting
The most troubling part about this, if it's true, would be Hillary's willingness to confide this to Edwards who, just a couple of weeks ago was her advesary at the debate.

It will be interesting to see Edwards in the next debate.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:21 PM
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10. He knows which way the wind is blowing
Clinton/Edwards `08, mark my words.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:19 PM
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7. Obama is kidding himself if he thinks it all won't come out ... and at a most inopportune time.
I think Hillary would find a 'cutout' to drop the bad news if her campaign were the source of the damaging information.

However, in this case, so much information is already a matter of public record and public statements that it is not hard to find by any enterprising reporter or investigator.

What will possibly hurt Obama the most will be if Rezko cuts some kind of deal with prosecutors, and gives up lots of high ranking officials for their corrupt actions, and Obama is thrown in as well.

I do believe that the Obama Campaign still does not realize the gravity of this situation, or they would have taken steps before now to deal with it.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:19 PM
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8. Will Hillary really "win" if she destroys the party to do it?
Obama has several old campaign people, former advisors, and supporters from Bill's two terms as President, do the Clinton's really want to go there since Im sure these old Clinton associates might know where a few of Bill's (and Hillary's) skeletons are buried?

Being aggressive is one thing, being spiteful to the point the other side reciprocates in kind doesnt help anyone.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:22 PM
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12. Good point n/t
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:28 PM
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18. The Democratic Party is plenty strong. Howard Dean is more than qualified to
mediate between the opposing factions once the smoke clears.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:29 PM
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19. If the Clintons don't oust him first and have him replaced with Harold Ford. NT
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:34 PM
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28. Dean and Gore are key. Ford, of course, will play a role in repairing relations with
the African American community.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:22 PM
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13. "an Edwards contributor"
Yeah, go on, pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Not a dig at you, hnmnf... I'm just done taking the media's questionable claims for granted about *anything at all* anymore.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:22 PM
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14. Thanks for the thread....
I was wondering all this time what Hillary was discussing with Edwards the night of the debate behind closed doors.

If there was any truth to this story, you just confirmed the lid has still to blow from any investigation. That would mean there is reason and thought, beyond determination, for Edwards to still be fighting the good fight.

Whether your intention or not, thanks for the smiles from the Edwards Camp on this board!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:22 PM
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15. Remember Primary Colors? Where they have something on their opponent?
They have something, but don't give it to the media. They tell the guy that he needs to step down because it will come out.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:24 PM
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17. Novak anyone???
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:30 PM
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20. Hey Obama, don't try to drag Edwards into this mess
Good grief, Obama's campaign sinks to a new low every hour.

I'm really beginning to dislike the guy.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:31 PM
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22. WTF are you looking at???
Did you even read the article? It has absolutely nothing to do with the obama campaign..
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:32 PM
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25. Yes I did
and I'm getting sick of Obama's divisive tactics. This time he's trying to link Edwards' name to his scandal. Give me a break. Provide some proof or a link that Edwards said this or STFU.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:33 PM
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27. Tell me, where in this article does it say anything about Obama's tactics?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:45 PM
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31. I'm saying its an Obama tactic
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 02:46 PM by OzarkDem
Sue me if you want.

I'm starting to recognize the pattern w/ how Obama's campaign operates. It has a very divisive streak that operates under the radar.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:05 PM
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35. Where in the story does it mention Obama's involvement, O Delusional One?
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:30 PM
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21. don't kid yourselves guys theres more to this than we know

Someone is saving the good part, and more than likely its the GOP.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:32 PM
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24. by GOP do you mean Hillary?
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:34 PM
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29. No.....
the GOP's apologist....Obama!
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:33 PM
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26. I think there is more to the story
I hope it gets out before the nomination process is done.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 02:35 PM
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30. If this is true
This ultimately would only help Edwards. If the allegations about to be aired have any weight it will really hurt Obama, but it will also make HRC look worse for going in that direction to win an election.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:02 PM
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34. Hillary wants Edwards to stay in the race--he splits the non-Clinton vote, so it's
not surprising for her to pass along info like this for her own gain (whether or not it's true).
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:05 PM
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36. I agree Edwards and Obama splitting the anti-Hillary vote helps her. n/t
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:07 PM
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37. In the South however, Edwards takes more votes from Clinton Id say.
You see that with the white vote.
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