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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:19 PM
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Obama Camp Complains to Nevada Dems - Cites 1,600 complaints of early door closings, obstruction,etc
Wednesday, Jan. 23, 2008
Obama Camp Complains to Nevada Dems
By AP/JIM KUHNHENN

(WASHINGTON) — Barack Obama's presidential campaign complained in a letter to the Nevada Democratic Party Wednesday that rival Hillary Rodham Clinton benefited from numerous violations of party rules during the state's caucuses on Saturday.

Clinton won the caucuses' popular vote by a margin of 51 percent to 45 percent. Under complicated delegate allocation rules, however, Obama could receive 13 delegates to Clinton's 12.

The letter to Nevada Democratic Chairwoman Jill Derby from Obama lawyer Robert Bauer lists instances of early door closings, obstruction of voters, and improper handling of voter preference cards. Obama aides said the campaign has received more than 1,600 complaints, including 300 that came in to a hotline at the time of the caucuses.

Bauer said the campaign is not challenging the outcome of the caucuses at the precinct level, but he asked Derby to conduct an inquiry into the Clinton campaign tactics during the caucuses. The campaign offered to provide the names and contact information of the individuals making the complaints as well as unedited copies of their accounts.

The Clinton campaign has also complained about behavior at the caucuses. On Sunday, Clinton senior adviser Dave Barnhart said he witnessed an enormous "gantlet" of Obama supporters at the Mirage casino-hotel caucus site who tried to intimidate Clinton backers.

Attached to the Obama complaint was an instruction sheet that Bauer's letter attributed to the Clinton campaign. The sheet offers guidance on how to persuade caucus goers to caucus for Clinton.

One line states: "It's not illegal unless they tell you so."

"This certainly suggests that, for the Clinton campaign, the operative standard was, simply and only, what it could get away with," Bauer wrote.

The letter complained that the Clinton camp distributed a caucus guide to supporters that said caucus site doors would close at 11:30 a.m. The party's rules stated that caucuses would be called to order at 11:30 a.m. but said attendees had to be signed in by noon.

Neither the Clinton campaign nor the Nevada Democratic Party had an immediate response to the Obama campaign letter.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1706262,00.html
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:20 PM
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1. What a surprise. n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:00 PM
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27. actually, it is a bit of a surprise. Although a fellow DU'er did post about the door closings. This
tends to confirm it.

Really, I am a bit taken aback. I could understand fighting the at large caucus areas, sort of.

This is WAY sleazy IMO. :(
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:08 PM
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28. The Clinton campaign has been filthy, up to and including racial smears.
I wish Hillary had never run because she's shredded the last bit of regard I had for them.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:21 PM
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2. When all else fails,
WHINE, WHINE, WHINE.

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:23 PM
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6. When all else fails...
Cheat.

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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:43 PM
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19. Just like the New Hampshire "fraud!" allegations, eh jeffy?
How did that one work out for ya? :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:11 PM
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29. How did it work out? Tell us and show us.
You can't, Tarcy.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:01 AM
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34. Here's a hint; it didn't.
Be sure to thank Denny for 50,000 well-spent dollars.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 01:05 AM
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37. Facile bs. Noted. n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:22 PM
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3. Hillary, "In it to win it," apparently at any cost.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 03:22 PM by flpoljunkie
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:34 PM
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13. I guess those union t-shirts didn't work.
And now Obama feels ripped off.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:22 PM
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4. I support any activity that brings spotlight on the process and improves it. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:22 PM
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5. "Obama Camp Complains"---enough said
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:24 PM
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7. All cases of voter intimidation should be investigated
As well as anyone closing the doors early. Regardless of who the candidate is.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:35 PM
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14. They absolutely should.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:24 PM
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8. Oh man...
:banghead:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:24 PM
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9. What a waste of time - on both sides since Clinton folks have been collecting affidavits re job
threats if the union representative did not see you voting for Obama.

What a waste of time.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:25 PM
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10. If Obama isn't trying to explain that he didn't mean something, he's
out there accusing Hillary of doing him in. It's a piss poor way to start off a campaign.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:37 PM
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15. yes, it is a poor way to start off.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:29 PM
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11. The sleazy Clinton's. "It's not illegal unless they tell you so."
Oh boy, just what our party needs more years of the Clinton's controlling our party and dragging us all down into the Clinton's sewers.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:33 PM
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12. Obama complaining again?
wake me up when he grows some balls
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:40 PM
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16. Hillary cheating again?
Wake me up when she lets all the votes be counted.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:43 PM
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18. Say anything. Do anything.
HillaryInc disgusts me.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:54 PM
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22. poor Wolsh.
I almost feel sorry for you.

Almost.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:58 PM
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23. Why feel sorry for me?
At the VERY least I know I'm on the correct moral and ethical side of this debate.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:02 PM
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24. moral and ethical?
Oh, Wolsh, I hope you get your meds soon. Now get back to weaving your basket.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:53 PM
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25. You bring nothing to the table aside from petty, dopey personal attacks
Stay classy!
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:13 PM
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30. wrong again, Wolsh. But at least you're consistent!
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:16 PM
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32. Its flattering that you put that much effort into trying to impress me
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:36 PM
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33. thought you might learn something new
and no effort as my assistant did the copy and paste for me while I finished a conference call
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:22 AM
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38. "no effort as my assistant did the copy and paste for me while I finished a conference call"
I'm sure your assistant thinks you're a wonderful person.

:sarcasm:
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:42 PM
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17. If I read the info furnished on this additional hate-hillary thread...
The Nevada Dem party ordered the caucuses to be brought to order at 11:30.

If the doors are supposed to be closed before bringing the caucuses to order, the obviously the doors would have closed at 11:30.

Now we have complaints that the doors were supposed to stay open until 12:00. That, according to the rules in play, is a Catch 22 situation.

1600 complaints? And they all blame Hillary? How did Hillary manage to close all the caucus doors early? The world wonders.

Is Obama now taking whining lessons from Dennis the Menace?
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:54 PM
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21. how did Hillary manage it?
voodoo mind games and an unstoppable, omnipotent power is my guess :evilgrin:
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:57 AM
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36. Oh we just hate bush oh we just hate hillary when wil it stiop.
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 12:58 AM by cooolandrew
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:51 PM
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20. Has anyone in Nevada or Iowa
thought of doing away with the caucus system?

It's clear that there are negatives about the system.

Do the positives outweigh those negatives?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 02:26 AM
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39. I think this was Nevada's maiden caucus.
Why they decided to switch would be very interesting to know.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:55 PM
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26. Shillbots: Defrauding voters is okay, if it's for MY candidate.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 06:14 PM
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31. Clearly the Clintons will stop at nothing for the nomination.
And what's worse is those willing to turn a blind eye to the voter suppression and worse the Clintons are engaging in.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:03 AM
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35. Everytime he loses, expect more whining and crying
It is his MO
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