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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:38 PM
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Slick Willie Rides Again
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?pid=274075

Slick Willie Rides Again
William Greider


The Clintons play dirty when they feel threatened. But we knew that, didn't we?

The recent roughing-up of Barack Obama was in the trademark style of the Clinton years in the White House. High-minded and self-important on the surface, smarmily duplicitous underneath, meanwhile jabbing hard to the groin area. They are a slippery pair and come as a package. The nation is at fair risk of getting them back in the White House for four more years. The thought makes me queasy.

The problem is not Hillary Clinton per se or the sharp exchanges and personal accusations that squeamish political reporters deplore. That's what politics is always about. Tough, even nasty conflict is educational, also entertaining. Politics ain't beanbag, as Mark Shields likes to say.

The one-two style of Clintons, however, is as informative as low-life street fighters. Mr. Bill punches Obama in the kidney and from the rear. When Obama whirls around to strike back, there stands Mrs. Clinton, looking like a prim Sunday School teacher and citing goody-goody lessons she learned from her 135 years in government.

I thought Obama did quite well in response, looked strong and stayed in character. But we shall see. He was compelled to play defense and to hope the audience recognized foul play. It's possible the Clintons won on points, simply by making Obama look like a confused young man who had to keep repeating what he had actually said.

The style is very familiar to official Washington, not just among the Clintons' partisan adversaries, but among their supporters. The man lied to his friends. All the time. They got used to it. They came expect it. I observe a good many old hands among the Senate Democrats are getting behind Obama. It would be good to know more about why they declined to make the more obvious choice of endorsing the power couple.

We are sure to see more of Mr. Bill's intrusions because the former president is pathological about preserving his own place in the spotlight. He can't stand it when he is not the story and, one way or another, he will make himself the story. I used to be sympathetic toward Mrs. Clinton on this point. No longer.

She is using her egocentric husband to do the low-road hits for her campaign. He is good at it--a real charmer if you've never seen his act before. Or is Mrs. Clinton's husband using her? People can ask that question without disturbing the principles of feminism.

Evidently, many of the mainstream party faithful want the Clinton team as their presidential nominee. It's their choice, of course. But does the rest of the country really deserve this?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:40 PM
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1. Yes - if Hillary is the nominee, Greider should feel like he won the lottery if she wins general
Of course that applies to Edwards and Obama also.
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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:42 PM
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2. whats your alternative

JEB? HUCLEBERRY HOUND OR THE OLETIMERS MAN?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:48 PM
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4. HELL-O..this is the primaries.
:think:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:47 PM
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3. REC'D!~ "Slick willie Rides Again" and he needs to "Zip IT"!
We'll see if ol' slick slides himself right into abyss.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:49 PM
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5. Golly, using Republican terminology.
Scared of Bill's popularity, I take it?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:57 AM
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39. heartwarming, isn't it
It just reminds me of how we came together and elected him, despite all of the name-calling and personal attacks on him and Hillary.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:50 PM
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6. Slick Willie, eh?
Nothing Republican sounding there.

Did I take a wrong turn somewhere and end up in freepland?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 03:51 PM
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7. Oh, bill's earned that
epitaph without monica.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:08 PM
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8. if you're referring to blind party loyalty and idol worship..
then perhaps you did.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:20 PM
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12. Absolutely! The Nation
that well-known bastion of neo-cons
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:23 PM
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14. Name calling, using freeperisms, is petty and childish.
I don't give a SHIT where it's coming from this time.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:13 PM
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9. "Slick Willie"? Obamites: hate Bill Clinton, defend and praise Reagan...
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:19 PM
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11. They're sure not doing a lot for the level of discourse around here. n/t
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:17 PM
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10. That's what we should be calling Willard Romney.
And we do, at my house.
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Tom Strong Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:21 PM
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13. Do you guys even know what "Slick Willie" means?
It's a pun. A FILTHY pun. It means that Clinton's got a wet penis because he has a lot of sex. I expect hearing it from right-wing asswipes, but not from the people on the left, no matter how badly they want their own canidate to win. So you can take your "Slick Willie" and shove it up your @$$.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:24 PM
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16. Welcome to DU, Tom.
I'm an Edwards supporter, but I find the term noxious and demeaning to all of us on the "left."
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Tom Strong Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:39 PM
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25. Thanks for the welcome, Mythsaje
Best of luck to your guy, and to Obama, too. And no matter who wins when the dust settles, I'm gonna fight tooth and nail to see that s/he is elected. GO DEMOCRATS!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:30 PM
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21. It's the name of a pool hall around here, so you just might be wrong.
Edited on Wed Jan-23-08 04:32 PM by babylonsister
I doubt that was this place's intention...but don't let facts get in the way. Makes me wonder where your mind is. :wtf:

Also see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slick_Willy


Slick Willie is a nickname that can refer to:

* Willie Sutton, a prolific bank robber;
* U.S. president Bill Clinton (also, see: List of U.S. Presidential nicknames).
* Willie Brown, former California legislator and San Francisco mayor.
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Tom Strong Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:45 PM
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28. Yeah, and "Hooters" bar & grill is all about owls
lol
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:32 PM
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22. "Slick Willie" to me means slick con man--nothing to do with Clinton's or anyone else's "willie."
slick: (of a person or their behavior) adroit or clever; glibly assured : he’s a slick con man
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:35 PM
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24. Hi Tom and your right...
I'm an Edwards supporter and I second that take your "Slick Willie" and shove it up the OP's ass. I've been hearing a lot of right-wing talking points here on DU as of late, And it's making me sick to my stomach.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:56 PM
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29. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:44 PM
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36. It is not a pun--it's your way of back-handed sliming. Clever--but transparent. Try again. n/t
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:24 PM
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15. Babylonsisrer slipping and sliding in the
gutter again! What a surprise. What next?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:27 PM
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18. Yes, The Nation is real gutter politics, Auntie. So sorry you don't
share the same opinion as so many who do. You need to embrace the truth.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:13 PM
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32. I haven't read it! That's because I don't read your
trash posts or articles anymore. That's what happens when you post such nasty stuff ALL the time and it turns people off. I'm totally turned off!
When you change your attitude and start playing fair...I'll pay attention to your posts...but you have a long way to go. Good luck!
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:19 PM
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34. Who knew that The Nation is now part of the VRWC?
:rofl: You're a laugh a minute, Auntie! Thanks for the laugh! :rofl:
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:10 PM
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35. You're welcome! Anytime
My husband gets The Nation and it's totally anti Clinton. They love Obama and Edwards so I knew what position the article would take..no need to read it on the web...got it right here. I used to like it before the primaries but now have no interest.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:33 PM
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23. I beg to differ. There is relevance to the article.
Anyone who wouldn't acknowledge that is wearing rose-colored glasses. We all know Bill Clinton is a liar, albeit a smooth and charming liar.
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Tom Strong Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:17 PM
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33. Clinton/Clark: Unbeatable n/t
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:26 PM
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17. K&R
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:27 PM
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19. No, Mr. Greider, the rest of the country does not deserve this.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:29 PM
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20. I don't want a nice politician to win
I don't mind hardball tactics. We're not electing a friend. Hopefully, we're electing someone who represents our values when they get into office. But when the dust settles I want someone who is 100% honest, or as close to it as possible. I don't mind tough campaigning and the double-teaming of one candidate. I do mind lies, spin and deception in the extreme.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:42 PM
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26. Saying Obama "stayed in character" is very odd way to compliment him...
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:43 PM
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27. "Obama did quite well in response, looked strong and stayed in character." Is he acting???
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 04:59 PM
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30. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
:boring:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 05:02 PM
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31. Obama needs to develope a team to deal with Bill's BS. and controversially gain equal time...
One side of the country Hillary is saying one thing - Bill is lying elsewhere in the country
Bill is lying to the country the same as he was when lying about Monica Lewensky!
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:42 AM
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37. Great article! Thanks krnt
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:51 AM
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38. Shame on you for that header. Is that you Rush?
Why do you have to use Republican talking points to make your point?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 08:00 AM
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42. Now now now...
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:57 AM
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40. Greider always nails it
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 07:59 AM
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41. ...does the rest of the country really deserve this?
Word!
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