Barack Obama has to be frustrated. Barack Obama supporters, what do you think his strategy should

be in combating the Clinton double team?

Like it or not, Bill Clinton is a force to be reckoned with, and HRC is tenacious.

I thought Barack was on the right track the other night, in the debate, when he was makeing a statement regarding something that Bill said and treated it as if HRC said it.

One stratagy may be to consider any statements that the Clintons make to be one and the same, HRC said it. Any thoughts?

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Yesterday, you as much as admitted that Hillary is willing to manipulate the truth to meet her goals.

People don't like Liars.

prevailed.

You can try to put a nice face on it by calling it Poker, but it is dishonesty. Plain and Simple.

of anything but attack ... be careful whom you confront.

If they trust the People, as they claim to, then there is no need for this manipulation.

However, if the Clintons think the People aren't smart enough to make up their own minds,
then they must manipulate people in order to get them to do what the Clintons want.

the bill, you've been fooled. But I have and know exactly what HRC voted for. The Iraqis blinked, so the feint worked. * went ahead and invaded anyway, after ordering the inspectors out.

This is history. What you are peddling is patently false.

She tried to make her vote look better by saying that he did. It was not true.

Want another?

after making a public declaration. It was political, yes, but no, not a lie. You can vocally support and bill, then vote as you must w/o being labeled a liar.

Next?

They tried to say Chuck Hagel sponsored the bill because they know people see Hagel as anti-war, their point being "even he was fooled".

Only problem is, that is not factually correct.

Hagel did not sponsor the bill that Hillary voted for.

That was a deliberate lie on their part.

Do you really want another?

Hillary said "Obama liked Republican ideas" in the last debate.
That is a blatantly false statement. She knew it. She said it anyway.

Too careful for your taste, but you apparently want your opposition to be weak minded.

And my interpretation, after hearing Barak's tone, is the same as HRC ... he'd like to be the next Raygun, but I want our next president to be better than that.

So no, you haven't pointed out a lie yet. Seems you need to justify your decision, so reason may not penetrate.

This is the main problem with Hillary supporters. They think they know Hillary so well that they ignore what goes on right in front of them.

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Clinton repeated the claim Sunday during an interview on "Meet the Press," saying "Chuck Hagel, who helped to draft the resolution, said it was not a vote for war." . . . But the talking point appears to misconstrue the facts.

In October 2002, Mr. Hagel had in fact been working with Senators Joseph R. Biden Jr., Democrat of Delaware, and Richard G. Lugar, Republican of Indiana, on drafting a resolution that would have authorized the war. But while those negotiations were under way, to the disappointment of some Congressional Democrats, the Bush administration circumvented their effort and reached a separate agreement with Representative Richard A. Gephardt, Democrat of Missouri, then the House minority leader. . . .

In the original proposal Mr. Hagel had backed, force was authorized only to secure the destruction of Iraq's unconventional weapons, not to enforce "all relevant" United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, which was the language in the version that ultimately passed. It was the White House proposal, not Mr. Hagel's, that Mrs. Clinton supported, explaining in an Oct. 10, 2002, speech on the Senate floor that it was time to tell Saddam Hussein that "this is your last chance -- disarm or be disarmed."


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This is a lie, Fredda.

I cannot make it any more obvious.

State premise A ... good

State premise B ... also valid

Now, you see a contradiction ... a deliberate lie. I don't. There was a bill HRC supported before she voted against it. I accepted it at the time, there were political reasons.

The words used are careful ... so far, you haven't tripped 'em yet. But you're having understandable problems with the underlying issue - the junior senator from NY had constraints on her behavior.

"Chuck Hagel, who helped to draft the resolution, said it was not a vote for war."

Chuck Hagel did not help draft the resolution.
Clinton said he did.

How is this not a lie.

blah blah blah blah you're in pain blah blah blah hate consumes you blah blah blah i'm so wonderful blah blah blah blah vote clinton blah blah blah blah obama scowls blah blah blah obama's wife dances funny blah blah blah blah obama's kids are attention seeking monsters blah blah blah

just thought i'd jump in

or something to that effect.

"It takes two Clinton's to take on one Obama. They are *The Machine*, and I got them running scared."

I'd like to see him rise above Bill's snipes while Michelle comes out to chastize him for his Dick Morrisesque negative politics. Come on 'Chelle!

I think most of us Dems can see Bill is unfit to be the very first "First Gentleman of The United States."

and say that she would never let a supervisor put a cigar case up her vagina.

But then again...I'm sure the republicans will do that if Hillary is the nominee.

.....travel on the campaign trail following Bill Clinton refuting every lie or distortion he says.

Elder Democrats with national name recognition, like Kennedy (if he endorses Obama), Dick Durbin, Leahy, Daschle etc.

Shadow Bill as a group, hold town hall meetings pointing out the tactics the Clintons are trying to pull over on the voters, get Bill upset.

With distinguished Democrats who care about America talking to the American people on the campaign trail. The m$$$m would love to report on those bc serial lyin' episodes.

Most of them will do (and are doing) anything to win -- except tell the truth.

Obama should get back to a positive campaign. This is going to start sounding like Obama whining if it keeps up.

--p!

I wish Kucinich were still doing debates. Heck, I got more information out of the earlier debates when Biden and Dodd were in them than the nonsense I'm getting now.

But if I were Obama, I would go on the attack. I would spend a little time responding to the deceptive sound-bite sniping at him, but do it in as short a space of time as possible. I would turn it on the Clintons. Every time the Clintons criticized Obama for the "slum lord", cocaine, fairy tale, Republicans are the party of ideas sound bites, I would respond with Bill Clinton's own spin about not inhaling marijuana, I would respond with the fact that Hillary and Bill have just ADORED Republican ideas throughout their political careers and I would bring up the fact that they themselves dealt on an intimate level with lots of shady characters. But I would do it QUICKLY and not dwell on it. I cannot believe that Americans want to hear this back-and-forth bilge. If I were Obama, I would deal with it like a 30 second commercial advertisement, which I would then end with a smile and by saying "and now ladies and gentlemen, back to our regularly scheduled program of campaigning on the issues". I would say that again and again until it settled into everyone's minds that the Clintons are trying to get Obama caught up in a distraction and get everyone off the issues.

I would make it clear to the American people that the Clintons want to get down into a petty squabble about minor details and do not want to discuss the critical issues that are an overwhelming concern to Americans. No one wants to hear about this petty sniping except perhaps those who have turned this campaign and their candidates into a religious experience.

He'd kick the Dawg's cottage cheese butt.

And invoke race. That's sure to be a winner.

Also, to run to the media to say he's being beat up on by the Clintons would help.

You are oh soooo funny!

Bawahahahahaha!


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like he did during his MLK speech...what the country needs more than anything is another Jesse Jackson. He should pull the race~card at every twist and turn and he should blame the big mean man Clinton for picking on him.:evilgrin:

at the same time Hillary was talking about closing tax loopholes. Oh, wait, never mind. I forgot it's only the little people who pay taxes.