Obama: Think You're Getting My Voters, Hillary?

BRODY: Will Hillary be a drag for down-ticket races as a presidential candidate?

OBAMA: I think there is no doubt that she has higher negatives than any of the remaining democratic candidates. That's just a fact and there are some who will not vote for her. If you look at the results in Nevada, for example, she eked out the popular vote victory over me, but I ended up winning more delegates because she got almost all of her votes from Clark County, Las Vegas and some of the traditional democratic areas. We got votes there, but we also got votes in northern Nevada and rural conservative regions of the state that traditionally don't vote Democratic, but were excited about my campaign.

I have no doubt that once the nomination contest is over, I will get the people who voted for her. Now the question is can she get the people who voted for me? And I think that describes sort of one of the choices that people have, just a practical choice, as they move forward."

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/01/22/what-happens-to-obama-s-supporters-if-he-loses.aspx


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His supporters are a big problem for him

And that my friend is a big reason the back lash is coming

And it wont carry you anywhere in a general.

What do you see in Andrew Jackson?

I find him to be entirely detestable, with the Trail of Tears and other things he did during his Presidency.

Why do you consider yourself a Jackson Democrat?

right! Many of his supporters seem to forget that if Obama were the nominee, he would need all of our votes!

And the way they keep attacking anyone who dares say something about Obama that even if it is the truth, they claim it to be lies, is going to really come back to bite him in the butt.

"I'm a uniter not a divider," bullshit and how history seems to be repeating itself, if you know what I mean..........neither is a uniter IMO!

Obama is worst than naive to think he can UNITE the rethugs and dems! I want to throw all those rethug bums out of the congress and then start to clean-house on the dem side too!!

But then again, I think it is probably more of a political calculation, since he doesn't seem to have the larger share of dem support!

If that were actually what he thought, I would agree with you.

(And let me preface the remainder of my response with the fact that Obama is not my preferred candidate.)

But if you listen to what he said in the SC debate, from the other night, you'll note that he's not saying that he will unite ALL Dems and Repugnants. He's saying that we need to create a WORKING majority, which means we need a candidate that can help swing Independents and Republicans who are sick of Far-Right control of their party. A candidate who will facilitate gains in both the Senate and House, and a candidate with whom Senators and Congresscritters of the other party can work without jeopardizing their base.

From what's been shown so far in the primaries, Obama has received far more Independent and Republican votes in the open primaries, which indicates he would be a better candidate for going after Indies and disaffected Republicans.

And, for worse or worser, the Clintons are divisive figures... even if not of their own making. (Though, from what I've seen since after Iowa, I'm not sure some of it might be.) The RW propaganda machine has engendered much loathing in the sheeple populace, and such hatred will make the necessary House/Senate gains difficult and working w/ a Clinton in the White House will be toxic for Republicans in the eyes of their constituents.

We can't talk about restoring the country to a better path by practicing the same kind of isolationist politics as the Right Wing.

... when he alluded to it, lacing his comment with "in the neighborhood" -- which *did* seem to imply a racial image, and certainly was inferred by many.

Add another Clinton supporter, Andrew Cuomo's comments that "Obama can't shuck and jive his way to the Presidency."

And then Bob Kerry, another Clinton supporter, slips in an odd reference to Obama's middle name, after endorsing Hillary... "I like the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama." Really? Or are you trying to hint that Obama isn't a real American, that he might be a Waziristan Candidate?


In campaigns as tightly managed as the Clintons, the spike in this sort of statement by their supporters is not accidental.

...oh, just like he's accusing her doing with Reagan. The guy is a real piece of work.

What did Obama say about the comment other than:

"Senator Clinton made an unfortunate remark, an ill-advised remark,
about King and Lyndon Johnson. I didn't make the statement. I haven't
remarked on it, and she, I think, offended some folks who felt that
somehow diminished King's role in bringing about the Civil Rights Act.
She is free to explain that, but the notion that somehow this is our
doing is ludicrous."

This is my third time asking and I have yet to receive an answer. Do you know who initiated the truce? The whole controversy was a set up; it didn't work against Obama, but it snared a few supporters, which created the same result... it just took a little longer to get there. Bill is out there stirring it up again today: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/23/bill-clinton-some-say-race-could-cost-hillary-south-carolina/

And in other news, more push polling by the Clintons:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/21/anti-obama-push-polling-alleged-in-south-carolina/

and it was an arrogant comment by him....I hope the real Obama keeps coming out...it seems to be lately. I just hope people are paying attention....

Oh wait.....

He really does think he's he's won the presidency already, like its his right. I'm disliking him more by the day goes by.

He needs to cut that shit out now. Who does he think he is. Well lets see, if the latino's, hispanics, older voters and the white voters respond to that crock of shit.

Another comment thats going to come back and bite him.

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to the nomination. Also, he should not be so arrogant to think that he will win in November.

So that's 2 1/2 wins for Obama, and a likely 3rd in South Carolina.

Hillary gets 1/2 of a win. The delegates in NH were split evenly.

How will they spin that?

... and, for worse or worser, that greatly affects public opinion and donations.

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I spend a lot of time defending HRC, but a little arrogance is better than a lot of whining -- which is the reputation his surrogates are earning for him. It does not fit him.

Besides, after Hillary has her 8 years, who will be better qualified for the job than a seasoned and vetted Barack Obama?

--p!

Well guess who's acting like the King now. What have you got to say. 2 faceds gits.

I never once whinged that HRC was acting like a queen -- that was (some of) the Obama supporters.

Nor do I whinge about Obama's alleged arrogance.

Calm down and read the posts more carefully.

--p!
"Two-faced gits" -- ? There's a Liverpool caucus? Who knew!

who says party be damned, I want the whitehouse back?

is that he's getting rural voters and cross-over republicans. People you wouldn't think would go for Hillary in the GE.


I don't think he means everyone who votes for him.

he wouldn't be reading my mind.

:)

... as the OPer misleadingly represents in the OP subject field. (Must be a HRC surrogate, eh? Nothing quite like twisting the facts to gain an advantage. Gotta love the Republican win-at-any-cost attitude.)

Here's what Obama *actually* said, painstakingly transcribed from my DVR recording of Weds. night's Countdown...

"I think there's no doubt that, uh, she has higher negatives than any of the remaining Democratic candidates. Uh, you know, that's just a fact. Uh, and there's some who will not vote for her.

"I've no doubt that I will..., you know, once the nomination contest is over, I will get the people who voted for her. Now the question is, can she get the people who voted for me?"

Obama's comments obviously have nothing to do with him not supporting Hillary in the GE. He is simply stating the fact that Hillary's favorability polling numbers indicate that she is not popular with Independents and Republicans, and so will likely have difficulty attracting that subset of Obama primary voters come November.

Must every statement be twisted from its obvious meaning, my fellow DU people? (If you wanna rip on Obama's comments, his only error/flub is in saying that he's confident he'll be able to "get" Hillary's supporters. He obviously won't be able to get them all.)

p.s. And I'm a bit disappointed in Keith Olbermann, in regards to that segment and his discussion with Dana Milbank from his Weds. night show, in that he either failed to comprehend, or chose to disregard, Obama's obvious point, going forward with the implication that Obama was making a "passive threat" to withhold his support from Hillary. Very disappointing, Keith.

judging by the level of hostility I see on DU. And the same holds true for the Obama supporters voting for Hillary. I'm starting to think that we're seeing the emergence of the Clinton Pary and Obama Party and not the Democratic Party. Support for either candidate seems to be rising to the level of a religious experience, where anything anyone says that's slightly negative against your candidate is met with a lifelong condemnation of that person. Your candidate is all divine love and radiance, a God-like figure and any dissent is seen as heresy.

Whereas, if Clinton got the nomination, she'd have a very large and very angry part of the base which would be absolutely furious over the way she won, the damage she did, and the use of Republican-style smear tactics.

I don't want those kind of people leading this country, or attempting to.

it's all about you....sheesh, the audacity of Obama Nation......

down because their numbers were waning and optimistically, this is on the road to their dimise as the hilary&bil show.

I'm not going to support a republican in democrat's clothing. Who spins and cheats her way in to the nomination, by taking plays from the Rove Playbook. Dems are supposed to be better than that.

Hope you're okay with that.

Obama, but not Clinton. She lost me for good after I listened to her pandering, warmongering speech to AIPAC.

In a word, no.

He can fucking keep them.

not

We dont' want self-centered DLC shills like Clinton. We've had enough.

I've had more than one conversation with Obama voters who wouldn't vote for Clinton. I do not see it as much going the other way (e.g., my second choice is Hillary, but I would have no problem voting for Obama either). Just this morning on Stephanie Miller I heard some guy call in and say, "I'm voting for Barack, or I'm voting Republican!" Another woman called in (an Obama supporter) and said, "I'll never vote for that she-devil!"

While this doesn't say much about those particular voters, it does seem to point to a trend that Obama supporters are not, perhaps, as progressive as one would hope.

which I think is more accurate.

Obama draws in a lot of people who normally wouldn't give a Democrat even a passing glance. And he doesn't do it because he's a third-way Democrat, or a centerist. He does it by looking like a compassionate, even-tempered, intelligent man who puts people above partisanship, while actually being quite partisan.

It's the opposite of Clinton, who is seen as partisan, but actually is more of a third-way, centerist.

I didn't care for his remarks about baby boomers and Tom Hayden. But I don't refer to him as a devil, and I wouldn't make Mitt Romney my second choice.

He speaks of unity then bashed certain groups.

I will vote for either... but I fear for how the GE will go should they win. :(

Obama will urge his supporters to line up behind her. I really do.

entitlement and their asshole Southern Strategy and race baiting and get the fuck behind him or they can fuck off out of the country and go to Paraguay with their pal bushie.

they'll fall in line. From either camp.

There's been so much nastiness...

*sigh*

No threats.

So we get her in office, all out war starts - she doesn't get anything done, and loses the re-election... What's that get us, a republican majority again. Can people NOT see what a mess the "Clinton" brand is? They're a walking train wreck for this party. And sadly, they'll bring us all down just to try and get one step ahead.

sanity.....I think you are correct since the alternative would be "UNTHINKABLE!"

This is one queer who will sit her ass home if he's the nominee.

Bet on it.

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Unity!

Hope!

Change!

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We will always have cons/libs/moderates.

unite people from both parties... when it's should be so obvious at this point that it's not even easy to unite people in his own party!

How self-destructive. Hillary, nor Edwards would nver issue such a back-handed threat.

Why, yes he did. Implying that you have to be Southern to win.

Context.

I heard him say this in Atlanta it was just a little bit of humor. What he said was it might be easier in the south because he talked like them and then he accentuated his southern drawl. I'm paraphrasing but it was a joke, all the candidates have made jokes. Please don't make an issue out of a non-issue.

and will vote for Bloomberg over her.

Bloomberg has made it clear he will run IF he sees an opening and he says that opening will come if a polarizing candidate like Clinton or Giuliani runs.

They see Bloomberg is a viable alternative to that mess.

They are mostly young people and very energized about Obama as a fresh face. They don't want the Clintons back.

is it fair to say that most Democrats HATE Hillary?

or just Democrats that support Senator Obama? And if they are Democrats, and hate Senator Clinton enough to support an Independent or Republican, then , they aren't Democrats at all. They are just Hillary haters.

I think that I like this new Barack.

In your face truth.

Much better than his opponents' "Through your teeth lies" strategy.

Edited to change: possessive "opponents" to plural. Heh.

would be excited by Obama's campaign? I think Edwards has a much more populist message.

Which of Senator Obama's positions appeal to conservatives?

I am not sure I want conservatives deciding my Party's nominee.

I think it's a question of temperment.

temperament to Senator Clinton's , I can understand that.

But, so much so that in the GE they will prefer it to Mike Huckabee's or John McCains? Esp. when those candidates are with them on abortion, the war, gay marriage, gun ownership etc...

I think it is naive of Senator Obama to believe he can keep them through the GE.

Is hating Hillary a sufficient reason for a conservative to support Obama in November?

You know Obama's ploy of vote democratic for a day and get rid of Hillary. Maybe thats a bigger factor than we thought. The gop voter numbers are lower, perhaps thats why.

and then vote against him GE time.

Thats why i prefer closed primaries and caucuses, unless your a democrat, you dont get a say until the GE.

I really hope we're not being set up.

but there are republicans who can choose to vote in either primary, and are choosing to vote in ours because, frankly, they HATE all the republicans on their side.

If this is a conspiracy, it's massive and word hasn't gone out to anyone but them.

I find that HIGHLY unlikely.

And I don't even think it's an original idea... or one that has to be centralized. I've seen DUers talk about voting for Huckabee, for instance.

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captains did put out a flyer encouraging Republicans and Independents to do just that.

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have we heard, anywhere, of anyone like Rush or Hannity asserting that their followers should support Obama or Clinton because either one would be easier to beat?

White rural voters are not interested in tearing down the government. They like business, they like a moderate government safety net, they like a solid infrastructure, they like a sense of community. Obama offers that.

The white rural voters I know HATE the corporations... they like mom & pop stores but are disgusted with offshoring, outsourcing, layoffs with big bonuses for execs.

They still won't vote for a Dem candiate, though.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4141715

They don't hate corporations, they hate the unfairness of current trade agreements. They support mom & pops, but blame Dem regulation as much as global trade, also brought to us by Bill Clinton. They see the problems with both parties, which is why many of them are looking to something new and somebody who will listen to them.

geez... it's like crazytown.

They admit the corporations are killng us... but they still seem to worship the GOP.

It's frickin NUTS.

that way in debate on Monday.

He focused on solutions and people, very little fighting the corporations stuff on Monday. Not that we don't need to stand up to corporate power, but Edwards has focused way way too much on that.

And I agree with you that these voters who are not long time staunch Democrats should be going more to Edwards. But for some reason, whether because of the media or something else, Edwards' message isn't moving them.

sulk in the corner like McCarthy if he doesn't get the nomination and make sure that we get four more years of war?

If this is true, then it seals my view of him, which was on the rise after his performance in the last debate. Imagine the uproar if Hillary said something so arrogantly stupid?

through and through and if you have any question, just look at the supporters of Obama in this thread alone.

They have a feeling of entitlement and a concomitant disdain for anyone else. Ugghhh..

Um well its true, he has crossover appeal and Hillary is polarizing, what about this is new? Have you been awake the last several years? Hes stating the obvious. I'm sure if one statement is enough to "seal the deal" for you, you were never for Obama anyway and were always for Hillary. So I really don't believe you.

It's probably a good thing most people don't get as emotionally involved as we do here. I am not a Hillary fan and I am getting tired of hearing him complain. When you start hearing nonpolitical people complaining a lot about him and a little about her, it's time to get back to issues. I try to stay out of threads like this one because I am so sick and tired of the sniping. I have never seen two candidates so perfect that everything they do is someone else's fault.:shrug:

so obama's republicans will vote for ron paul.

Obama says something deliberately provocative, then complains about being misrepresented or double-teamed. In basketball, to continue a metaphor Obama would certainly recognize, it’s called “working the refs.” Players do it when they’re losing.

Jordan did it all the time, winning or losing.

The more Bill whines and Hillary lies, the more people they are turning off if we have to hand the Presidency to the Republicans with their disastrous nomination.

I will stay out of the way and watch the trainwreck happen if the Democrats have to deal with another Clinton Redux.

but it can't be done with real accuracy. None of them have really started running a general election campaign, and none have gotten the full GOP swiftboat treatment yet. (Although Clinton's come pretty close.)

What facts does he have to back up this assertation?

I can see it. Very ugly.

Good for him.

They're Democrats! Of course almost all will vote for the Dem. nominee. Or does he consider them Obamacans?

the nom he won't try to bring his voters along in support of the Dem candidate?

more here

He brings new people with him, while she not only doesn't, but chases away significant numbers of loyal Dems.

That cocky attitude surfaces again.

More like musing aloud as to whether the young voters coming out for him would come out for her.

Good question.

in his loud musings or statements

Obama says something he means with no agenda behind it and a ton of people start trying to dissect his statement to find out exactly what he meant or what the plan behind the statement is(while its staring them in the face without any work)

that makes him a bad politician. And unfortunately they may be right. It also makes him somebody to be trusted amd admired. Also a rarity.

He could have phrased it better, but what he says it is TRUE. Most democrats WILL vote for the nominee. The others may stay at home or vote McCain if he gets the nod (I hope not), or Bloomberg (people around here seem to have forgotten about him) if gets in.

We will write in Obama, if that is an option. Since Bill and Hillary apparently believe that the only way they can win is to turn the nation backward in terms of civil rights by playing the Southern Strategy Reduxe, then they can live with the consequences. And the Democratic Party needs to deal with the consequences of politicians jumping on board this campaign strategie. It is not different than the campaigning of Nixon or any other Republican who has come down the pike and has chosen to wink-wink, nod-nod to the racists in the nation. You can't do this sort of thing and smile and tell people you don't really mean it. We are not stupid out here.

As I have said many times before, I would rather lose with honor than honor 'them' with my vote. I live in the south where we can already see some of the healing taking place just with Obama's candidacy. What the Clintons are trying to do here in South Carolina is despicable...and their Karma will come back to bite them.