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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:16 PM
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Latina leaders in San Francisco react to Clinton's lies and smears re: Obama and women's rights.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:22 PM
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1. WOW!
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:24 PM
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2. What a crock.
When did Hillary accuse Obama of not being pro-choice. Never.

Oh I get it - the woman said there is a "whisper campaign". Paranoid? Self important much...? Guess she just wanted to get on the tv.

Honestly, this is just juvenile coming from the Obama campaign.
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Konza Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:15 PM
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5. It's the New Hampshire Clinton mailer
Where they said he has not taken a position on a woman's right to choose, but Hillary Clinton has.
The mailer had the intended effect, making Obama look squishy on a woman's right.
It said "A woman's right to choose demands a leader who will stand up and protect it.
Hillary Clinton has a record of fighting far-right Republicans in order to defend abortion rights, while Sen. Obama has been unwilling to take a stand on choice."

It's complete crap, but that doesn't really matter, now does it?
Since it went out the day before voting he was unable to counteract it with the facts.
But it did have the unintended consequence of ticking off some members of NOW,NARAL and other Pro-Choice groups for the blatant dishonesty Clinton was resorting to in order to win.
And no, this wasn't some whisper campaign. It was a Clinton mailer sent to NH voters who had checked "Abortion Rights" as an issue of interest on their voter contact card.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:26 PM
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6. Do you have a link to those quotes? n/t
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:34 PM
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7. Here ya go
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:45 PM
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8. So Hillary correctly quoted NOW.
And, Planned Parenthood in Chicago is trying to give Obama cover.

NOW or Chicago Planned Parenthood???

I pick NOW.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:08 PM
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15. No apology. Only to be expected, I guess.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:11 PM
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16. I don't usually apologize to people who make shit up.
Her mailer was accurate. EOS
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:19 PM
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18. You didn't believe those quotes were accurate. Apologize to the previous poster.
C'mon, it's the decent thing to do.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:22 PM
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20. Is reading comprehension a problem for you?
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:26 PM
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23. Humor me.
Explain why you won't at least admit that you were wrong about the existence of the quotes.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:34 PM
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26. I didn't ever question the existence of the quotes -
I just asked for them. I wanted to read the source documents. I wanted to see if Hillary actually accused Obama of not being pro-choice. She did not - which is good because he isn't.

You, for some reason as I now understand, assigned a motive to my request for the source. That is your problem - not mine.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:42 PM
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29. Have fun trolling
Whatever gets your rocks off.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:23 PM
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22. You're too busy making shit up yourself to apologize to anyone who speaks truth.
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Konza Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:51 PM
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11. Thanks. Here's yet another one
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U00P7O0&show_article=1

Not that it matters.
They never actually address the shenanigans, in fact I think they are downright proud of how low they take the campaign. It's almost a badge of honor for them to be more sleazy than republicans.

It's going to be a long campaign.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:47 PM
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9. I guess you don't know Angie Padilla in Durham...

I'm convinced she's done more for Womens Rights in a day than....
oh, never mind, just hand in your blue book.
:dunce: D+
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:58 PM
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13. I can't...
My vibrator smudged it.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:13 PM
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17. Here is the accusation by NOW state president
along with her announcing that she is changing from Clinton to OBama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8iJs&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:22 PM
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21. Wrong
Hillary sent out a mailer in NH accusing Obama of not being pro-choice.

Last week, several of the women who signed the letter, including House Speaker Terie Norelli, admitted that the letter was false and misleading and issued a public apology to Obama supporters in New Hampshire.


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:33 PM
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25. Just what the clintons didn't need..a whistle blower..
who had a conscience ..And just what our Country needed for a nice change!! WooHOOO! Thank you!

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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:29 PM
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24. In leaflets that were passed out in NH, she attacked his stance on abortion
They tried to this because Obama voted present on some Planned Parenthood bills.

The only problem is that this was part of a coordinated strategy with Planned Parenthood.
They have come to Obama's defense on this issue.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:53 PM
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30. Hillary's backers disagree with you
"It should never have gotten to the point where anyone thought Obama was not pro-choice," said (former Sen. Katie) Wheeler, a founder of the New Hampshire chapter of NARAL Pro-Choice America. "I don't think the Clinton campaign should have done that. It was divisive and unnecessary...I think it was a mistake and I've spoken to the national and told them it caused problems in New Hampshire, and am hoping they won't do it again."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/18/trying_to_heal_a_rift_in_new_h_1.html
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:25 PM
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3. What lies and smears?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 08:35 PM
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4. No - there were mailings in New Hampshire where
Clinton made these claims.

Look for the video (in video section) of the president of NOW who used to be a supporter of Clinton until she made these smears.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:52 PM
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12. I can not find anything about the President of NOW
making any such statement.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:36 PM
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27. Here's the proof you were looking for.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:57 PM
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31. Former President of Chicago chapter of NOW
is not exactly what I went looking for. I was looking for the actual President of NOW.

Your women's groups = a handful in N.H. First they took a stand and then they wanted to smooth over ruffled feathers by un-doing their stand - that is how politics works. Jeez.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:21 PM
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32. No, they wanted to correct the record once they found out they'd been had. n/t
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:41 PM
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28. You're not good at finding stuff, are you?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:50 PM
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10. Rec'd to come back
and view in a little bit. Thanks, calteacher.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 09:58 PM
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14. Viva Obama!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:21 PM
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19. The sound you heard was the slime boomerang hitting the Clintons upside the head.
I always thought the Clintons were smart politicians, but they are taking this off-tilt and people are noticing.
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