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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:49 PM
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Eye on the ball: Hillary and Obama are CONSERVATIVES
They hide behind "moderate" and "centrist", which we all know is code for only slightly to the left of the far right.

I think too many people here are missing this in all the chaos that is General Discussion: Primaries.

The goal of the primary is to choose the most liberal candidate.

It's not to pick "who can win" or "who is most electable" or any other of the millions of the so called "reasons" people are supporting the most conservative two candidates in the bunch.

The media is playing you all like a fiddle.

The general election is going to be a choice between a conservative and a conservative. Again.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:51 PM
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1. Where has either of them referred to himself or herself as "moderate" or "centrist"?
They're not hiding behind anything of the kind.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:52 PM
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2. What's conservative in this record?
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/sponsor/OBAMA.html
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:52 PM
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3. You are delusional
If you think that Obama and Clinton are only slightly to the left of the far right then frankly you don't have a clue.

Are they leftists? No. But would they appoint another Scalia to the SCOTUS??? Not even close.

Would they veto SCHIP?? HELL NO

There are thousands of issues where Clinton and Obama's stances are far different than the far right. Open your eyes.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:55 PM
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5. Obama didn't even show up to vote on the last two SCHIP votes
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:00 PM
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6. Would they repeal the Patriot Act? or the MCA? or NAFTA or WTO
or reestablish habeas corpus, etc. ????
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:07 PM
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13. Yes. Can't speak for Clinton, but here's statements from Obama
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060927-floor_statement_7/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/24/AR2007062401046.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbrb09p1L5g
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 10:52 PM
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4. Compared to who? Karl Marx? Both their voting records are stellar
liberal. What the hell are you taking about?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:01 PM
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7. So will they repeal the Patriot Act or MCA? That's what a liberal would do. nm
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:14 PM
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18. By themselves?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:35 PM
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22. What kind of question is that? Of course not. Are they the friggin lest bit interested? nm
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:03 PM
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8. The goal is not to choose he most liberal candidate, but to choose the person we want to
represent us in the GE.

Wake up.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:06 PM
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12. The person I want to represent us in the GE is the most liberal
If you haven't noticed the whole economic charade is busting at the seams.
We have to have another FDR. NOW
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:09 PM
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15. Then that's what should guide YOUR vote. Do others still get to decide
for themselves?
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:13 PM
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17. You are the one setting goals
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:26 PM
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19. My goal was the one that respected every voter's own choice.
You want the most liberal person to represent you? Fine - vote that way.

The OP set some bizarre limitation based on HIS preference, not one recognizing any opinion but his own.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:32 PM
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20. That would be a liberal
CONservatives already have a political party/
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:33 PM
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21. Hey, vote as you see fit. All Democrats should. NT
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:03 PM
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9. Right ya are. We don't need no "centrists" We need a progressive Populist
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:13 PM
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16. Go John Go!
Edwards fits the bill!
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:04 PM
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10. Thanks for a post that finally got DUers united!
I don't care what you call Obama or Hillary or Edwards. They are all better than their Repub opponents.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:06 PM
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11. No, they're both very much liberals, just like Edwards
from ontheissues.org


Barack Obama is a Hard-Core Liberal.


Hillary Clinton is a Hard-Core Liberal.


John Edwards is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:08 PM
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14. CORRECT. drives me nuts that these people vote against their own best
interests.

Refuse to look at the lobbiest contributors to both...going on looks and personalities ather than who is offereing them the best on the issues important
to middle classes.

When they or their kids are flipping hamburgers instead of doing white collar or manufacturing jobs - they can look back and say why did I vote that time for someone who thinks its okay to do business with lobbiests.
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:35 PM
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23. lol.
totally....
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-23-08 11:39 PM
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24. You are from Planet Bullshit
Outline where Obama is a "conservative". This should be funny.

:rofl:
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