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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:54 AM
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The media spinning an Obama win in SC
I see it already. Obama wins by a large margin, Edwards beats Hillary...again.

The media reports that SC has rejected the 'dirty tricks' of the Clinton campaign.

Hillary's numbers start to shrink as the media focuses on the Clinton smear machine.


Anybody ? ...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:55 AM
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1. I have no idea about a final outcome but maybe it would be healthy for
everyone if Mike Gravel won a bone-crushng landslide in South Carolina.

I just get tired of hearing Wolf Blitzer dumbing-down everything to tabloid level.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 09:58 AM
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2. The media spin is that unless Obama wins among both blacks and whites by a huge margin
then he'll be in trouble. Inexplicable
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:00 AM
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3. Or, the reality...
Obama wins SC by a decent but not wide margin, and that will pretty much be his high-water mark.

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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:02 AM
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6. Kinda like Hillary's wins...
in NV and NH ?

Seems to be her high water mark. Those counts will be alot closer than SC.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:10 AM
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10. Yet polls both nationwide and in Super Tuesday states
put her comfortably ahead.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:31 AM
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25. Hasn't her lead in Ca
dropped in half in the past week?
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:18 AM
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26. Depends on which one you look at
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:01 AM
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4. the media is reading the same data everyone else is
The African-American community comprises almost more than half the voting bloc in SC. A vast majority of them are strongly supportive of Barack Obama while the other voting groups are strongly supportive of his opponents. Therefore, a Barack Obama win will be attributable to his overwhelming support from the largest voting bloc in the State.

Nothing surprising or shocking about that. :shrug:
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:12 AM
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11. It will be instructive to compare Obama's percentage of the white vote in
South Carolina with the percentages he received in Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada. It looks like it will be a lot lower in South Carolina. The question will be whether that lower number is due to something about Obama or about the attitudes of Southern whites.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:31 AM
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23. yes, exactly
I must admit I'm not overly familiar with the groups who live and vote in SC, but it's my understanding that he does have more work to do in gaining the support of Hispanics, Latinos, hard core Democrats (my clumsy point being those who don't identify as Independents) and Whites.

I don't know that a strong win in SC due in large part because of the overwhelming support of one segment of the voting population will be enough to convince these other groups to support him. I look forward to looking at and comparing the data after the Primary.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:15 PM
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29. Maybe it is because he is running against a white southerner who is winning the white vote in SC
Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 12:15 PM by jackson_dem
Nah, it can't be. Anyone who doesn't buy Obama's hype is a racist!

Maybe Iowans were prejudiced against Edwards because he wasn't from the Midwest like Obama?
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:02 AM
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5. I'm so hoping for a replay from 2004
when John Edwards won South Carolina
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:06 AM
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8. No thanks.
Edwards is 3rd in NC ..and couldn't carry NC in 2004.

Replay ? ...sorry, count me out.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:05 AM
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7. Anyone can win in SC. High expectations for Obama - not helpful.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:06 AM
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9. How about Obama wins big with AA vote
trails badly among all others showing the weakness of his strategy to play solely to one gtoup..
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:14 AM
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12. Or it shows that Southern whites are reluctant to vote for a Black, while
whites in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada did't show the same reluctance.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:16 AM
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14. But Hill won NH..and Nev..
an Iowa was a lot of "democrat for a day" students from Illinois..
big difference moving forward..
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:22 AM
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17. Yes, Hillary did win in NH and Nevada. No argument there. I was just addressing
the view that a low percentage of the white vote in South Carolina doesn't mean that he can't or doesn't attract white voters. :)
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:24 AM
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18. Oh..I'm sure he can attract some..
but if the win is primarily from the AA community..that is how it would be spun..
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:29 AM
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20. I agree that is how some will spin it. As we all know the spin from the different
camps and different media outlets will vary. It will be interesting.

I do think it demeans Obama to attribute wins to African Americans, just as much as it demeans Hillary to attribute her win to the women vote. Anyone who denigrated Hillary's win in NH by saying that it was the result of the women's vote would not be giving her the credit she deserved for getting them out to vote for her.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:31 AM
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22. agreed
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:13 PM
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28. If you vote against Obama you are a racist!
And then Obamites wonder why he is at 17% with whites in South Carolina and 11% with Latinos nationally.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:16 AM
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13. Obama will undoubtedly win by a good margin in SC...
he has the support of almost 30% of the white vote plus much of the AA vote. What he ends up with, in this first southern state primary will be an indicator of what he might be able to pull off in other southern states.

I can't help but think that Edwards should be at least a close 2nd in SC. Maybe not till the last minute, but he should get the 2nd place.

Hillary has not spent the time in SC, deciding instead to write that one off and go on to the next primary states. Probably a good decision.

Crap that is breaking right now will probably not affect the SC outcome. There just isn't time for the voters to let it all sink in.

Novel idea: first primary season in several elections where more than just Iowa and NH count for choosing the nominee.

There are still the massive problems in SC about machines that won't work or work correctly...and there may again(like the Repug primary)be a shortage of paper ballots. This will be a major problem throughout the rest of the primaries. No one bothered to fix anything so we face the same stupid problems over and over again.

Despite the problems, wait until we get to Florida, a state that has not been able to hold an honest election in several presidential elections in this century. Even with their shoes off, the officials in Florida have no concept of a fair and open election.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:17 AM
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15. Despicable and uninformed n/t
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:21 AM
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16. How so..don't just vomit up charges..
what is despicable or uninformed about what I said..
or are you just interested in being an asshole.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:30 AM
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21. "the weakness of his strategy to play solely to one gtoup" n/t
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:31 AM
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24. are you saying he is not playing to the AA community?
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 11:21 AM
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27. Yes
And it is obvious to anyone who pays attention and tries to be objective.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 10:24 AM
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19. Blarch, if this happens then it will be apparent to all the msm
as maybe we knew was in the tank for obama...you wanna know how cnn and the situation room reports on the campaign....85% positive reporting on obama and 15% positive reporting on HRC....But what I enjoy most is even though these mediawhores report so negative on HRC, she is still very much alive and beating their "chosen one" and if they do as they have been they will make a big deal out of how the votes break down along racial lines.....if there is no difference in their reporting this saturday evening then it is good to go.....but if any of the mediawhores report as you sugested then I would ask all hrc supporters here on the du ban together and write these mediawhores and voice our displeasure and jam cspan's early morning program on Sunday morning and alert the nation......
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:16 PM
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30. The negative reporting
on HRC is because her and bill are lying everyday.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 12:17 PM
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31. They are NOT lying everyday.
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