NY Times endorse Hillary = Bad luck

The last time a major state paper endorsed Hillary she came in 3rd place ie des moines register, next thing you know they'll come out with a poll showing obama leading by 12 points, then hillary will say, where have i seen this movie before.

Is the media.

You could be right on this.

I think all this early chatter is worthless for the most part. Wait until Super Tuesday... could be a whole new horse race;)

Olbermann joined Matthews in the relentless, mindless attacks on the Clintons.

It really sucked when KO kept bashing Clinton for the Fairy Tale line, but never showed
the full monologue,. Dan Abrams finally showed it and it was innocuous. Pure media hype.
CNN has been screaming racism relentlessly. It's too weird.
The right wing wants Obama because they've probably got some big goods on him.

At any rate, so long, Olbermann. I was your fan before you were fashionable but I can no
longer stomach looking at your pious, dishonest puss.

Abrams is the only cable news show that we watch now. And we're about to drop
to cable altogether.

I feel like a pawn. It's all about the ratings, not the truth... even with KO... I'm crushed, pissed... fell like smashing something. This is never going to end, is it? The lies will continue... ugh.

I'm pretty disillusioned with the media in general and certain folks like Oberman who I thought was fair.

He's just as bad as the rest of them.

CNN is crazy. I couldn't believe what they were saying today. The worst one is Jack Cafferty. That guy is a nutjob.

kind of transcends being just a "state paper".

just sayin'

It's a very good endorsement for her --frankly I'm surprised, as I had a bet with a friend they would endorse Obama.

Not to mention that their support, even cheer-leading, for the war in Iraq (Judith Miller ring any bells?) has caused the reputation of this paper among progressives and liberals to take a real beating.

And it's still a NY centric Newspaper... always has been. Do you really think they would endorse someone from another state?

If Bloomberg had entered, and they had 3 NY identified politicians running for office, it might have been interesting. But right now, it's just Hillary and Ghouliani... both of whom support the war in Iraq and both of whom have unquestioned support for Israel. One is a centrist to right leaning Democrat and the other is a very right leaning (to the point of falling over) republican.

Why would anyone expect them to endorse anyone other than Hillary?

HRC as much. I hope they'll support her. NYC will.

It was a well reasoned endorsement.

A pro-war newspaper endorsing a pro-war Democrat.

No surprise there.

NY Times championing the Iraq War?

Are you sure you are talking about the same newspaper?

They may be the most liberal and anti-war major publication in America.

Ever heard of Judith Miller?

Where have you been for the last 7 and 1/2 years?

Living under a rock?

Judith Miller. Water carrier for the Bushies and neocons. NYTs columnist (until 2005).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller_(journalist)

Duhhhh....

Dood. You're kidding, right? Judith Miller. Hello!

95% of the U.S. would say that the NY Times is a liberal publication. It's apparent that the remaining 5% of the people who don't think the NY Times is a liberal publication all post on Democratic Underground.

Judith Miller was definitely a pro-war journalist at the New York Times, but she was in the minority. Have any of you ever read the NY Times, or would you rather take one person and try to stereotype a whole newspaper?

Unreal.

You should stop listening to them!

But apparently not here.

So obviously, they felt what they did was wrong, or they wouldn't apologize for it.

that's my guess.

funny how the malcontents try to spin an endorsement as a negative. How pathetic.

If so I'd say that = good luck for her.

NY Times endorsement is a very positive thing.

the conventions? Or are we talking about a NY primary endorsement or the SC? Did it say for President? I'm confused.

the endorsement will be for the democratic primary. The timing is likely for Super Tuesday.

although, we still don't know if this is true or not. From what I've read the editorial board feels very positively about Obama.

Though, my SO did just hear it repeated on the radio coming home.

The interesting thing is that the report is they are going to endorse Mcain in the Repub primary and Clinton in the Dem.

Congratulations, Senator Clinton.

nm

:nuke: :scared: :hi:

I just wandered in here and found you being as nasty as ever.

I will reiterate that your outrageous nastiness towards myself and other DUers is a MAJOR reason why I would never support Hillary Clinton as a candidate. It's too representative of what I've always been afraid she is, deep down.

and whitewash it anyway you want. pffffst

Some of these malcontents are pretty amusing are they not?


:hi: to you.

:evilgrin:

I guess you are the epitome of womankind and to despise you is to despise all women...


:rofl:

That's rich.:rofl:

Thank you for showing me. :hi:

...that's precious.:hi:

I'm sure if you called me or came to my door to campaign, you wouldn't show me that ugly, ugly side of yourself. There is a big enough cluster of your type in your camp that I can't chalk it all up to trolling. I never see anything nearly as bad from the Obama camp.

I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.:hi:

:scared:

No, but really, I'm sure the hideous side of your personality comes out all the time at work, but can you maintain personal relationships? Or do you have to hide it and then let it out on here? Or... are you alone?

Are you that lonely? That pathetic? You're in cyber~space~~~~the questions here are one's FOR THE AGES.:hi:

You are really racking them up.

Once again, I think the internet is a great place to see how people are without the usual filters.

It's funny that you can't defend your words/actions or Libby's; you can only attack and attack me. Guess what? I'm feeling nothing. You are wasting your time and digging the hole I'm pointing out deeper and deeper the longer you engage in these "tactics" (the word implies more intelligence than there is).

I'm doing nothing more than swatting at a pesky fly.

:silly:

:scared:

you know how to spell the word.:hi:

Look at this thread, look at all your posts, and draw a little voice bubble around what you say and a pointer coming out of Hillary's mouth. That's what people see when they look at a thread like this. I would either drop your sigline file and your avatar, or take a more civil tone with people in the future.

where it belongs.

I wonder what the lurkers think of you.

otherwise, you would not be so preoccupied with the opinion of others.

Politics is, quite literally, about the opinion of others.

but then why would we? We are both reasonable. That is a bit too much to expect from the likes of him.

but reasonable? Captain Poopy Pants? Cognitive dissonance can be ever so grating.

you need to do more finger~painting.:rofl:

:evilgrin:

Nothing better than a bunch of whine~y cry babies who get pissed off if someone endorses Senator Clinton.:rofl:

I came in a thread for information and found it was overrun with raging assholes.


You don't think that every time someone sees you being hideous, they associate it at least subconsciously with the image in your sigline?

...touched a nerve.:hi:

just like your candidate voted to do a few years back. :hi:

And Obama has been supporting the war since he got into office...that is when he deigns to show up for work.:hi:

being anything but respectful, and the Obama supporters, well--from what I've observed, they only attack after you've riled them up.

Sorry, but your words and her face, together in public, do not make for good campaigning. It's here in particular that my ABH (anyone but her) position has coalesced.

I have seen plenty of Edwards supporters and almost every single Obama supporter who is more than lacking in respect. Kucinich supporters seem to be quite nice...though you are obviously an exception. Vote for whom you like. I don't give a rat's patooty what you do.:hi:

while representing a candidate is not good for the candidate?

I represent no one. I would assume you don't represent Kucinich. But, then again, who knows what delusions you are under?:hi:

A poster wrote:

"They deserve each other. A hollow empty shell of a paper for a hollow, empty shell of a candidate."

That's fine--argue with him. Come back with lavishly linked litanies of your candidate's swell accomplishments. Cite all the awards the Times has won and its credentials as a liberal newspaper. Hell: tell him his slogan is as empty as he claims your candidate is.

What happened? Well, first your homegirl calls him Captain Poopypants, and then this dogpile on me for calling her out begins. Believe me, I can take it. But can your campaign?

Are you confusing the campaigns of the candidate's to posts here on DU? You do realize that there is a difference, right? Cyber~space message boards and an actual campaign of a candidate for President? Hello? Is there anyone there?

there's no connection between a campaign and its rank-and-file supporters.

and keep us posted.:hi:








Touche.

and you think I'm the one who can't spell "appalled."

It's spelled analyst.

I guess bitterness does that to them. How sad.:evilgrin:

My problem is with you and your behavior on this site. I mean, the only candidate I agree with generally never had a chance of winning. I didn't come here to fight for one person or against another. When I see a pattern of such appalling behavior from one side in particular, though, I have to think: do we want these people in charge for the next four years? Do we really want to empower them? You act no different than the Bushies in the lead up to 2000.

Don't blame me for your short~comings.:hi:

Thanks for showing your true colors.

That's rich.:rofl:

with PoopyPants? Can't really make a logical argument there.

Very interesting.

yes, that is what set me off.

:shrug:

It was KaptBunnyPants.

I mean, this shit makes Hillary people (if you are what you say) look REALLY REALLY bad. I'm assuming this carries over from some other thread, but nothing the person you are attacking says here warrants such a torrent of abuse.

:rofl:

:rofl:

is unexpected or some kind of "bummer" is remarkably stupid.

If I had ever been in a flame war with this idiot, I'd understand the juvenile taunt. But this is the first time I've ever even seen his/her screen name. Clearly, I haven't been missing much. Even as far as taunts go, it's kind of a pathetic non-sequitur. It's almost like they are too slow to figure out an appropriate way to insult my point, so they just picked a random insulting picture that a more talented person made and posted it. I do wonder if the other guy was any more clever than his friend, but due to my liberal use of the ignore feature I guess I'll never know.

I can't seem to keep anyone on ignore. But what do you do when people are misguided to the point of surrealism?

... would endorse a US Senator from New York? A favorite daughter, if you will?

She only got the seat in 2000 because we all dearly wanted to piss off right-wing America. Unfortunately, the rest of the Democrats didn't get it was a joke.

I remember when they broke the story about Obama being "present" many times while in the Illinois State Legislature... is a percentage rate of a little over 3% "many times". The article itself read like a Hillaryworld press release.

As for them mentioning in the endorsement that the NYT was "always against the Iraq War", maybe they forgot who Judy Miller is.

I like the NYT and read it every morning when I get a chance. I can't wait to see the Letters To The Editor on this issue.

Congrats to the Clinton team.

No surprises here.

GO OBAMA!!!