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Doesn't it strike anyone else as complete insane that saying someone is Muslim is a smear?!!!

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debbierlus

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Thu Jan-24-08 09:22 PM
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Doesn't it strike anyone else as complete insane that saying someone is Muslim is a smear?!!!

It is shocking that so many Americans would believe that this is an ISSUE, in the first place. I was listening to Air America coverage of the subject, & this woman went on about how 'nervous' she was about Obama because of his 'Muslim' background. And, I was thinking, not only is it horrible that people are trying to smear him with false information (he is Christian, as everyone here knows well), but they consider the fact that someone is a Muslim as a grounds for questioning someones character.

It is really ironic that the American people fear the Muslims so much, & believe we are a 'peaceful' people It is OUR Christian nation that MURDERED A MILLION PEOPLE over the last five years. It is our CHRISTIAN nation that believes itself to PREEMPTIVE strikes (even NUCLEAR strikes as Bush's plan for Bunker Buster Bombing in Iran).

What is WRONG with people? The ignorance, the intolerance, the hate, the fear....My GOD.

Yes, there are people who use the Muslim religion to promote hate & fear & murder. JUST LIKE our Christian nation has used hate & fear to justify murder & slaughter. However, the majority of people who practice this religion are no more killers then the majority of people who identify themselves as Christian.

As an aside, I was looking for some further information about the Muslim religion for my own education, & the Obama campaign need to mount a full out frontal assault on this thing. Typing in Muslim & then when I began to type in a fill in word after it in the search box on yahoo brought a huge list of Barack Obama search variations. Side bars with Barack Hussein Obama were on the side bars. This thing is planted DEEP in the internet & the top story that comes up & here is a very disturbing article that came up in the top three:

http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm

As much as I personally think it is insane that people consider this a disparity on a person's character, the reality is that a huge portion of our population carries some prejudice...fears...or downright hates Muslims. Obama is being swiftboated as surely as John Kerry was in the last election. And, it is working.

Obama needs to fight this with everything he has right now - it could destroy him. It may already have...I have never been an Obama supporter, but I am OUTRAGED at this foul political trashing that stinks to high heaven.

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rodeodance

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Thu Jan-24-08 09:25 PM
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1. Its insight mag. I will not click on that site

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thunder rising

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Thu Jan-24-08 09:25 PM
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2. If your not a suporter, what's it to you? You've just told everybody you're a troll.

Thanks for your concern.

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debbierlus

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Thu Jan-24-08 09:51 PM
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9. Omg. I AM NOT A TROLL

Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 10:05 PM by debbierlus

Go to my journal & read my prior posts. I am NOT a troll & I am highly insulted by that comment.

I thought people might be interested in the fact that this is coming up as one of the top stories under searching Muslim. I thought maybe the Obama supporters would be interested in the fact that the story is so deeply embedded in the web that when you search the term Muslim: Saddam Hussein Obama comes up at the top, left, right, & bottom.

I thought, perhaps, you might want to go to the campaign & help problem solve this obstacle to his campaign.

And, no. I am not an Obama supporter. But, I DESPISE these tactics, and I was writing to share my outrage. I linked a story I thought was beyond foul, not to trash Obama, but to show the community what people who do not come here to DU see when they do an internet search on the story.

It is beyond belief that this post showing empathy & outrage is greeted by such low remarks.

Randi Rhodes spent half her show discussing this issue, she must be a planted troll on liberal radio.

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frogcycle

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Thu Jan-24-08 10:48 PM
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16. yet another prime illustration

of the kind of jerks who are attracted to Obama

sigh

every time I start to think he's ok after all, his supporters get in the way

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southern_dem

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Thu Jan-24-08 09:26 PM
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3. Yes and he addressed if forcefully in the last debate n/t

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Occam Bandage

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Thu Jan-24-08 09:27 PM
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4. Why are you linking to the insight article that started this shit? Welcome to 12 months ago.

:eyes:

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debbierlus

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Thu Jan-24-08 10:04 PM
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13. Because it is coming up on the TOP of search engines TODAY

So, when people go to search about this story, they very well may read this article & believe it as current and/or accurate news.

Instead of the sarcastic eye rolls, you might want to look into the site that appears to have been vested in starting this rumor over a year ago, and find out if they are connected with the current robo-calling & trashing of Senator Obama. It might be helpful if the supporters gave a heads up & contacted his campaign so they could research it. If they find out who DID it, they could turn the STORY around to the people & their horrible tactics. Huge coverage would follow about how Obama was a victim of this horrible practice & it would generate support for him.

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bullwinkle428

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Thu Jan-24-08 09:27 PM
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5. Muslims and GLBTs are the last "acceptable prejudices" in the eyes of many

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jackson_dem

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Thu Jan-24-08 10:06 PM
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15. You are right and it is ironic Donnie Mac's friend is suffering from the other half of the equation

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NanceGreggs

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Thu Jan-24-08 09:30 PM
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6. You're absolutely right.

Imagine a candidate saying, "The rumors that I am a Baptist are scurrilous," or, "Those who claim I am an Episcopalian are obviously trying to smear my image."

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OneGrassRoot

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Thu Jan-24-08 09:31 PM
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7. It is very upsetting and disturbing...

It's been part of B*shco's fear campaign since 9/11. I can see the 25-30% who still like Bush - :shrug: - believing this racist nonsense, but I am surprised how much others buy into it.

I hope I'm wrong about the racist element still alive and well, though more subtle, in this country. However, because so many people do seem to buy into it, I fear Obama has a huge hurdle to face with regard to the Muslim lie, his name (yes, it's nonsensical but neither is the Muslim lie), and him being African-American.

And I support him wholeheartedly in how he defends himself against these slurs and gets the truth out there.

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frogcycle

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Thu Jan-24-08 09:49 PM
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8. I got this POS email from a freeper aquaintance

it is absolute bunk. I expect somewhere there is a point-by-point debunking of it. But it is the sort of crap that woman is falling for. Muslims are painted as the bad guys - its a simple cowboys-and-indians, cops-and-robbers mentality, where an enemy is needed. The Soviet Union served that purpose for decades; now a replacement is needed.

I post it not in any way endorsing it, but just illustrating the extent of the paranoia and vitriol. Note the last line - as if it would matter if true, but pulled right out of the writers ass.

Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: Fw: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?

I Don't care if you are Dem. or Rep. We all should know these facts:

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?

This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to Finish...and send it on to anyone who will read it Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and
not speaking out about any atrocities.....

Can a good Muslim be a good American?
This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon God of Arabia .

Religiously - no. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256) (Koran)

Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran

Geographically - no . . . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him To make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

Domestically - no. . . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34)

Intellectually - no. . . Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . . .
Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. . . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names. - - -

Therefore after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very
suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - -

They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.

* * * Call it
what you wish..it's still the truth.

* * * You had better believe it.
+ + + The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand...

And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to be our President? You have GOT to be kidding!
Wake up America !

Obama even says if he wins the election, he will be sworn in on the Quran
---not a Bible!

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debbierlus

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Thu Jan-24-08 09:59 PM
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10. It is really disgusting

Until listening to Air America today, I had no idea how big this had grown. Go to the search engines & type in Muslim & see the stuff that is coming up at the top of the pages & links. It has become a monster. This isn't just some small little rumor someone started. To get search engine results like that, it has to be a full planned campaign. You have to know how to program the websites search terms to get those sites to the top of the list.

The Obama supporters might want to start investigating the link I put in my Original Post because it was coming up way up top. Given that this is a year old story, & there are so many current reports coming out on this story, it does not make sense it would generate a top spot in search ratings. If I was an Obama supporter, I would be investigating the site more heavily and try to find the links to who is behind this - and TURN the story around to them.

Apparently, they prefer to call this long time liberal progressive democrat who has always blogged & fought for truth in politics....oh, what was the word....a troll.

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cooolandrew

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Thu Jan-24-08 10:00 PM
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11. If he does address this he more has to clarify his christianity than dismiss islam.

Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 10:02 PM by cooolandrew

Your post clears up why he hasnt addressed it. I think he as more faith in people better intelligence. I am atheist myself but he will be negotiating with islamic nations and so has to phrase things siely.

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cooolandrew

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Thu Jan-24-08 10:03 PM
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12. Moderate Republicnas are liking Barack despite the smear they know better it looks...T

Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 10:07 PM by cooolandrew

Things are that bad they'd jump sides but only for Obama and many have said so even before the Reagan comment. Hillary was never in there good books. Just go on u tube type republicas for Obama.

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rasputin1952

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Thu Jan-24-08 10:05 PM
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14. I just want to add that it is not only Muslims that are attacked

by some, but everyone/group gets attacked at one time or another. just look at how Christians are treated, even in your post, you claim this is a "Christian nation that has murdered...".

This goes deeper than that though, and it is universal...there must always be an "enemy" for people to rally around. In a theocracy or theocratic society, there are those of other faiths to attack; in a democratic republic, a dim view is held of fascists and communists; in fascist and communist societies, democratic republics are th enemy. point is...in order to keep people from becoming "complacent" and to maintain a power base, groups, religions, political entities, etc, all need something/someone/some dogma to hate and be able to call the masses together in a "common cause". Rarely, has that 'common cause" been the thought that we are all human and should be treated as such.

Of course not all Muslims are "bad" or "evil", just as all Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Taoists, animists or many of the people in any group, are "bad or evil". But most often, those that control the power don't look to the leadership of a group and call them "evil", they just clump the whole together and stoke the fires of hate and fear with the fuel of ignorance.

I know people from every culture, and I have yet to see one culture that is "pure evil". Nazi's came close, but the were really a sub-culture that gained immense power, and actually became a religion to some. The leaders led the masses into a the maelstrom... there were many who fought them openly, but more often clandestinely, but they did take them on. Not all Germans were Nazi's, just as all Christians are not hate filled monsters that believe beating people with Bibles is the norm, or Muslims that believe that the world should be taken over by people willing to blow up others, as well as themselves.

Zealots get a little power, and through their distorted ideology, they take those who refuse to question them down the well worn path to hell. And it matters little what the zealot professes, it is the hate that kills, maims and destroys lives at breakneck speed.

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