Obama supporters saying they won't vote for Hillary

There was a prediction that was locked a week or two ago here that said the next phase in the Obama supporters campaign would be proclaiming they will NOT vote for Hillary when/if she is the nominee.

I'm sorry to say that prediction has come true. I have been reading DU and there are numerous Obama supporters saying they will not vote for Hillary. And they seem to be PROUD of it.

Of course, happily, not all Obama supporters are on board with this. And I salute those that are real Democrats and would support the nominee. But it appears many are not, what a shame.

I guess they don't care if a guy like McCain is president, otherwise I can't believe they are so stupid to say there is no difference between McCain or Hillary.

No, I refuse to believe that.

That, the people saying these are Obama supporters, not Democratic Party supporters.

I didn't see that, but it is true.

be destroying it because of their own greed and desire for power.

And all of the other good Dems who ran this year. I wished they had all stayed in, because it was a damned good bunch.

why do so many Obama supporters use GOP talking points?

hmmmmmmmm

...they lost. they think because idiots regurgitate the impeachment case, they won. They lost Bill was cleared by the GOP controlled Senate and many GOP leaders got caught up in the moralist drama..Livingston,Hyde, NEwt et al

and the Mercer supporters. I doubt many will vote for her in the GE either. :patriot:

I'm not so sure what independents and Republicans who now support Obama would do. Unfortunately, many of them might not vote for Clinton. Yet she might need them to win the general election. That's the scary part.

Republicans will do any thing to win, and we had better wake up before they do just t hat. After listining to the bunch of monkey see monkey do republicans last night, any one of the three democrats look pretty good to me.

If Hillary behaved like she was a real Democrat, you might have a point.

But her campaign is more Karl Rove than Democrat.

considering the alternatives (not voting at all/voting for the Repug).
Grow up people.

I supported Kucinich in the primaries, but will work/vote for the eventual Democratic nominee. There's way too much at stake here for petty differences.

That's sure to get people to the polls. :thumbsup:

bone she wouldn't have voted for the war in Iraq. Some of us stand up for what we believe in and don't vote a certain way to appease others.

once we see who the other options are. What is the scoop on the green candidate? Are they still talking Nader?

I'm going to vote for her regardless, but I do recognize that she is hyperpolarizing.

on here, always even-handed. Too bad not many more like you.

bushlite just in what some of her positions are, i e health care, eduacation, social security. Yes, hrc may drive people insane but it's good to know it's the republicans who hrc is doing this too.....

Don't expect people who respect the truth to vote for Hillary Clinton.

...will never get my vote.

next?

Back that lie up. I defy you to find 5 Clinton supporters that wont support the eventual candidate. I can probably find you 3X that many Obama supporters.

here's the first two i found

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4174113#4174256

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4174113#4194588

edit, here's # 3

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4193984&mesg_id=4194193

#4, thanks to tammy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2566159

here #5

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4193136#4193807

now apologize for calling me a liar.

and #6 for dessert

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4133344#4138623

one more for ya


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4133344&mesg_id=4133908

admit to being surprised and apologize for calling you a liar. By way of apology, a star will be showing up next to your name as I just made a donation for you.

no hard feelings!

Of course, since your moral values come from the Clintons, you have trouble determining what the word "lie" means.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4133344

Which I always do anyway.

However I will not consider it a vote "for Hillary", it will be a vote against the republican.

...in order to do so.

if you let it. People from both the Obama and Clinton campaigns will be upset if their candidate isn't the nominee. And maybe some are threatening not to vote for the other in the General Election. However, when the dust settles I beleive that most will come out and vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever it may be.

Emotions are running high and I wouldn't give much credence to what is being said in the heat of the moment.

Mz Pip
:dem:

Maybe people's emotions are overcoming their reason.

No more lesser of two evils.

riding on "the lesser of two evils."

I hate what's going on in this campaign. I'm truly turned off by it. But with the future of the SCOTUS ar stake, the "lesser of two evils" (and whoever the Dem nominee is, that will be the perception by some) is a whole lot "lesser" than anyone the GOP puts forth.

Standing on high moral ground is admirable until someone starts shooting at you.

Mz Pip
:dem:

nominee. Most Democrats do not like Rove style politics.

I would gladly vote for Edwards.

I'm talking IRL here not the blogosphere. A lot of these young folks are involved for the first time ever and they are very disillusioned by the behavior of the Clinton campaign (racial smearing, lying about his choice record, aggressive behavior by Clinton operatives at the caucuses, etc.) They may or may not vote for her, depending upon whether Bloomberg gets in the race or not but they probably will not go over to help her campaign. Back in 2004, the Deanies and Clarkies were unhesitant in their willingness to jump on board Kerry's campaign, but most of them were older and more accustomed to political realities. As for me, I'm not inclined to give her any help or a dime at this point. She can get it from Rupert Murdoch and that BET asshole she's been hanging with. But I might soften that stance since I'm in a swing state where every vote will count. Unless McCain is the GOP nom, in which case he'll win AZ by a landslide and I'll be needing to concentrate on saving our local races.

Even though she's #3 on my list of the top 3.

I didn't leave Hillary, Hillary left me.

She has taken a path that a principled person cannot.

Fuck Karl Rove and his followers ...the Clintons.

Shall I post them? Nah, I'll let you wallow in your smugness.

:crazy:

... he will deliver the most incredibly stirring keynote speech at the convention that I think even the most hardened progressive Hillary hater will come around.

I'm not like HRC I can't support something just because others in this party does that I'm totally against (Iraq anyone?). I speak out and my actions reflect the way I feel. I don't like that race baiting stuff her camp has done and as a black woman I can't forgive her for that. What I've seen from this election is that my future Sons or Daughters because of their skin color will never have a chance to become a president. That race WILL always be an issue. Screw the Clintons. I think McCain is wrong for this country but I hate racism and I hate race baiting. If people here want to bash Obama and say that they can't tolerate bigots. Well I can't tolerate race baiters. I was going to vote for HRC if she won a month ago but she turned me off completely.

Like I said before the civil rights movement is still a sham and nothing has really changed. RACE is and will ALWAYS be an issue in America. A black man will never catch apart. This black woman isn't going to be had by the Clintons. Dirty politicians. Infact it sad to say but I hope the Repubs destroy the Clintons like they so rightly deserve.

and i've spent the last few weeks just shocked at the lengths the clintons are willing to go to. Not surprised, but the obvious nature of it all is appalling. I had high hopes for this election especially when Obama got into the race...weird name and all. The fact he not only overcame his race, but the ethnicity of his name astounded me. I just had such high hopes for our party. I'm sad, but not ready to throw in the towel...and I say this as an Edwards supporter who is thinking of switching my support to Obama. I hope that everyone agrees that John Edwards has certainly run a civil campaign.

Its not weird its just different. But I know you don't mean any harm but I just had to point it out. IMHO something is weird only unless people make it weird.

Anyway yes I agree I think John Edwards has done great things and I wish that he was on the ticket in some way shape or form. I do believe out of everyone he's ran the most civil campaign. Its a shame that the MSM ignored him for such a long time. I say don't throw in the towel really. Every vote matters so if you feel passionately about Edward's being the right person for the job then keep on voting. In the end it can't hurt ya :)

but what I'm trying to say is that it is out of the norm and strange to the "average" american. Remember most americans still live in bland homogenous geographic areas. I happen to live in a really diverse area so I've heard prob every name, and my own family name is pretty strange. I really thought his name would be more problematic than his race....and I can't tell you how happy it's made me that most people don't seem to care, his radiant persona has just won them over.

serious minded people do not take what they say very seriously

more serious minded Obama supporters.

answer my questions with grand words...like....change and difference...and inspiration

I am tired of the Dem party picking pathetic choices and holding my nose. I am especially turned off by the tag team attacks by the Clintons on Obama. I voted for Bill twice with great enthusiasm and supported him through the impeachment, so it is very sad for me to see the Clintons as opportunistic liars smearing a good Dem candidate for short term gains. So no, no vote for Hillary.

But on the upside, I live in true blue CA.

Why because she was going to give us a health ins. program, the republican corporate media is the reason so many hate Hillary...Wake up folks most of the media is republican, why do you think they gave Dan Rather a democrat hell for all the days he was at CBS, I remember a time when Jesse Helms of North Carolina tried to get republicans to buy CBS out. He mad a plea to republicans to buy CBS in order to can Dan Rather. I don't know about you but last night d ebate, made me long for the time to vote for any one of the three, I am Edwards till the dogs come home but after that whom ever.

keep on truckin'

because of incessant griefing by self-proclaimed Hillary supporters on this site.

Not sure I buy it come election day.

Oh my!

I can confidently say, yes. Obama supporters have been immature and thoughtless in their posts, but some of the "Hillary supporters" are downright psychotic.

what makes the internet so everyman. Literally every man/woman can post what they are thinking

One wonders where they come from. Sometimes I think I'm looking into her campaign's soul; at other times, I think they come from... somewhere else.

After all my vote really is meaningless because its just one person. But I can't vote for her. If that means I'm not a real dem then so be it. Maybe its best for me to be an independent.

but many on here disagree. We should maintain our autonomy rather than expressing false solidarity with the puppetmasters.

My fear of the GOP, however, has pushed me to vote Dem every time I've been inclined not to, except in local elections when I vote Green in the rare cases when a Green is running.

The race-baiting and (I believe, with the Rezko "scandal") Jew-baiting will make it very hard indeed for me to support her in November. My 64-year-old white lifelong Democrat mom, perfect Hillary demographic, just e-mailed to tell me she donated to Obama because of all this nasty shit.

...belong and voice disagreement? are you afraid of standing up for yourself and what you believe in...sometimes alone...sometimes not?

Everything they want is against our interests. We need to pin them down and force our basic needs out of them.

They? Who is they? A nameless straw man? Dennis is part of the DNC himself

I support Dennis' platform, and I don't claim to know much about the man himself.

99% of what goes on in this country is by agreement of both parties, and 100% of that benefits the two or three thousand wealthiest people in the world (for the truly rich, countries are meaningless).

the parties agree on some things sure...because they are in power and they have to in order to get things done.


money and power will always mix it up. we need to tame it and restrain it, but we can never separate the two. ever.

..if you are shouting out who you dislike and will not vote for. Look at all the people who shouted and voted against Bush in 2004. methinks they turned most reasonable and sane people off

DU supporters of any candidate are totally irrelevant.

We also tend to be much more intense and partisan than the "average" American. I don't think our views reflect many national trends, and the loss of a few DU voters means nothing.

And yes, although I always have and always will vote, I don't consider my one vote very important in the grand scheme of things.

and if I don't care for a candidate I will not vote for them. No more, "lessor of two evils" for me.

It has nothing to do with Obama.

You back Kucinich yet fault his judgement on an issue so clear as is Hillary fit to lead.

hmmmm, the disconnect is frightening

...have a tail and a pitchfork

Hillary and any of the Republicans, I'll do it. It'll be hard. The thing that has pushed me in this direction is the SCHIP bill and how the Republicans seem to gleefully deny healthcare to kids. That said, if it's Hillary, it would be nice is she chose Obama as VP so he could run again in 8 years.

When you're on one side, the other side looks like a bunch of monsters.

If Obama was ahead, I wonder if the Hillary people would be the same.

After the primaries, when things have cooled off, if Hillary makes it, ask us again.

I usually do some kind of political grassroots tabling at the Madison Farmers Market, which gets at least 10-20,000 people walking by. I've already reserved a table space for Obama for next spring/summer/fall. I spend many hours, much money and enjoy it greatly.

If Hillary is the nominee, I will gladly give the space to the Green Party folks and get back to sailing, playing golf, hiking, music jamming and some house renovation during that time.

As for voting for her in the fall, as it stands now, not on your life. I'd rather the Democratic Party finally get rid of the Clinton cancer and take all their minions down with them. I've had enough of the likes of Bill Clinton, James Carville, Dickface MacAullife and the other scum aligned with Hillaryworld.

If Hillary is the nominee, I fully expect us to lose the White House and her negative coattails would greatly hurt many close races where Democrats might win with a less divisive candidate. I fully expect some Democratic candidates telling her and Bill not to step into their district if she is the nominee.

Hillary will have to work for my vote and I fully expect her to move to the right if she's the nominee.

Are they bad too? I just read a thread where I saw some HRC supporters saying they would not vote for Obama. Just checking.

I'll vote for the Dem nominee, but HRC is not my first choice.