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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:18 PM
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One photo op does not a relationship make.
"I don't know the man. I wouldn't know him if he walked in the door. I don't have a 17-year relationship with him," Clinton said, referring to her charge that Barack Obama, a rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, has a longstanding relationship with Rezko.

"There's a big difference between standing somewhere taking a picture with someone you don't know and haven't seen since," Clinton told NBC's TODAY show, "and having a relationship that the newspapers in Chicago have been exploring."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22839654/

The spamming of this photo is desperation at its worst.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:20 PM
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1. You know how those kinds of photo ops happen?
Think about it, then get back to me.
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:22 PM
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5. oh-oh, i know, i know...can i speak?
ok...well...i gave $250 to Clinton's foundation, and took a picture with him...

so, what's your point?
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:20 PM
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2. yes it does!!
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:21 PM
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3. A photo op like that does a big donation make
You don't get that kind of picture unless you've given a lot of money, or have been a very active volunteer. Since I'm not guessing Rezko is big on stuffing envelopes I'm going to guess he's in the former category.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:22 PM
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6. So you have evidence that he contributed to Clintons for "favors?"
If so, please elaborate
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:32 PM
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20. I have evidence that Rezko did NOT contribute to ANY Clinton, but he did contribute to BUSH
More than once, too.

And Rick Lazio, once. And John Kerry, once. And Barack Obama--a LOT. And Barbara Boxer, once. And Denise Majette. But never, ever, to anyone named CLINTON.

Here are all his individual contributions, going back to 91. I think the people who are suggesting a Clinton relationship had better STFU. His relationship with Obama looks worse by his eagerness to fill Bush's coffers, as well.

http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/Tony_Rezko.php
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:34 PM
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22. So it was all off the books then? Even slimier.
(just having fun, don't worry)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:41 PM
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26. He wasn't cheap with Bush, this guy. He also gave once to Kerry,
Boxer, Gore, and ... ugh... RICK LAZIO. He gave to Kerry and Bush the same year, too! More to Bush, too. Craven opportunist!

If you've ever eaten at a PANDA EXPRESS or PAPA JOHN's, you may well have put money in this asshole's wallet!

He was a MASSIVE bundler, and that isn't reflected either. From the NEWSMEAT site I referenced elsewhere in this thread:

Rezko, Antoin
Wilmette , IL 60091
Ray LaHood (R)
House (IL District: 18)
FRIENDS OF RAY LAHOOD - $-1,000
primary 01/04/07

REZKO, ANTOIN S
WILMETTE, IL 60091
BUSINESS CONSULTANT Barbara Boxer (D)
Senate - CA
FRIENDS OF BARBARA BOXER Won $2,000

general 10/06/04

REZKO, ANTOIN S
WILMETTE, IL 60091 Denise L. Majette (D)
Senate - GA
DENISE MAJETTE FOR SENATE Lost $2,000
general 10/04/04

Rezko, Antoin S
Wilmette, IL 60091
Rezko Foods/Executive John Kerry (D)
President
JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT INC Lost $2,000

primary 04/12/04

Rezko, Antoin
Wilmette, IL 60091
Self/Business Consultant Jesse L., Jr. Jackson (D)
House (IL District: 02)
JESSE JACKSON JR. FOR CONGRESS Won $2,000
general 03/16/04

REZKO, TONY MR.
WILMITTE, IL 60091
SELF-EMPLOYED George W Bush (R)
President
BUSH-CHENEY '04
COMPLIANCE COMMITTEE INC. Won $2,000
general 12/19/03

REZKO, TONY MR.
WILMITTE, IL 60091
SELF-EMPLOYED/BUSINESSMAN George W Bush (R)
President
BUSH-CHENEY '04 (PRIMARY) INC - $-2,000

primary 12/19/03

REZKO, TONY MR.
WILMITTE, IL 60091
SELF-EMPLOYED/BUSINESSMAN George W Bush (R)
President
BUSH-CHENEY '04 (PRIMARY) INC Won $4,000

primary 12/09/03

REZKO, ANTOIN
WILMETTE, IL 60091
REZKO FOODS Barack Obama (D)
Senate - IL
OBAMA FOR ILLINOIS INC Won $10,000

primary 10/03/03

REZKO, ANTOIN
WILMETTE , IL 60091
REZKO FOODS Barack Obama (D)
Senate - IL
OBAMA FOR ILLINOIS INC - $-500

general 03/31/03

REZKO, ANTOIN
WILMETTE , IL 60091
REZKO FOODS Barack Obama (D)
Senate - IL
OBAMA FOR ILLINOIS INC Won $500

primary 03/31/03

REZKO, ANTOIN
WILMETTE, IL 60091
REZKO FOODS Barack Obama (D)
Senate - IL
OBAMA FOR ILLINOIS INC Lost $1,000

primary 12/31/02

REZKO, ANTOIN
WILMETTE, IL 60091
REZKO FOODS Barack Obama (D)
Senate - IL
OBAMA FOR ILLINOIS INC Lost $500

general 12/31/02

Rezko, Antoin
Wilmette, IL 60091
Best effort David W. Phelps (D)
House (IL District: 19)
PHELPS FOR CONGRESS Lost $1,000
general 11/01/02

Rezko, Antoin S.
Chicago, IL 60610
Rezko Corp/Real Estate Developer Luis V. Gutierrez (D)
House (IL District: 04)
GUTIERREZ FOR CONGRESS Won $1,000
primary 12/31/01

Rezko, Antoin S.
Chicago, IL 60610
Rezman Inc./Chairman Bobby L. Rush (D)
House (IL District: 01)
CITIZENS FOR RUSH Won $1,000
general 11/18/00

REZKO, ANTOIN S
CHICAGO, IL 60610 Mark Steven Kirk (R)
House (IL District: 10)
KIRK FOR CONGRESS Won $1,000
general 11/07/00

REZKO, ANTOIN
CHICAGO, IL 60610
REZKO FOODS GASH, LAUREN BETH (D)
House (IL District: 10)
LAUREN BETH GASH FOR CONGRESS Lost $1,000
general 11/07/00

REZKO, ANTOIN
CHICAGO, IL 60610
REZKO FOODS GASH, LAUREN BETH (D)
House (IL District: 10)
LAUREN BETH GASH FOR CONGRESS Lost $1,000
general 11/07/00

REZKO, ANTOIN S
CHICAG, IL 60610
PANDA EXPRESS DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF ILLINOIS (D) - $5,000
primary 10/19/00

REZKO, ANTOIN
CHICAGO, IL 60610
PAPA JOHNS PIZZA CAMPBELL, TOM (R)
Senate - CA
CAMPBELL FOR SENATE Lost $1,000
general 09/28/00

REZKO, ANTOIN
CHICAGO, IL 60610
REZMAR ABRAHAM, SPENCER SENATOR (R)
Senate - MI
ABRAHAM SENATE 2000 Lost $815
general 05/30/00

Rezko, Antoin S. Mr.
Chicago, IL 60610
Rezmar Corp./Chairman Al Gore (D)
President
GORE 2000 INC Lost $1,000

primary 04/03/00

REZKO, ANTOIN S
GLENVIEW, IL 60025
REZMAR CORPORATION DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE (D) - $15,000
primary 03/21/00

REZKO, ANTOIN S
CHICAGO, IL 60610
REZMAR CO Luis V. Gutierrez (D)
House (IL District: 04)
GUTIERREZ FOR CONGRESS Won $1,000
primary 02/02/00

Rezko, Antoin S. Mr.
Glenview, IL 60025
Rezmar Corporation/Chairman George W Bush (R)
President
BUSH FOR PRESIDENT INC. Won $1,000

primary 10/20/99

Rezko, Antoine
Chicago, IL 60610
Rezmar Corp./Chairman OBAMA, BARACK H (D)
House (IL District: 01)
OBAMA FOR CONGRESS 2000 Lost $1,000

primary 09/01/99


REZKO, ANTOIN S
CHICAGO, IL 60610
REZMAR INC John F. Kerry (D)
Senate - MA
KERRY COMMITTEE Won $1,000

general 11/09/98


REZKO, ANTOIN
GLENVIEW, IL 60025
REZKO FOODS BLAGOJEVICH, ROD (D)
House (IL District: 05)
FRIENDS OF ROD BLAGOJEVICH Won $1,000
general 10/31/98

REZKO, ANTOIN S
CHICAGO, IL 60610
REZKO MART INDUSTRIE Ray LaHood (R)
House (IL District: 18)
FRIENDS OF RAY LAHOOD Won $1,000
general 10/28/98

REZKO, ANTOINE MR.
CHICAGO, IL 60610
PANDAS TOUMA, LESLIE ANN (R)
House (MI District: 12)
TOUMA FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE Lost $1,000
general 10/05/98

REZKO, ANTOIN
CHICAGO, IL 60610
REZMAR CORPORATION ABRAHAM, SPENCER SENATOR (R)
Senate - MI
ABRAHAM SENATE 2000 Lost $1,000
primary 04/13/98

REZKO, ANTOIN S
CHICAGO, IL 60610
PANDA EXPRESS Luis V. Gutierrez (D)
House (IL District: 04)
GUTIERREZ FOR CONGRESS Won $1,000
primary 12/19/97

REZKO, ANTOIN S
CHICAGO, IL 60610
PANDA EXPRESS BRAUN, CAROL MOSELEY (D)
Senate - IL
CAROL MOSELEY-BRAUN FOR US SENATE 1998 INC Lost $1,000
primary 04/03/97

REZKO, ANTOIN S
CHICAGO, IL 60610
REZMAR CORP Luis V. Gutierrez (D)
House (IL District: 04)
GUTIERREZ FOR CONGRESS Won $1,000
general 11/04/96

REZKO, ANTOIN
CHICAGO, IL 60610
PANDA EXPRESS Richard J. Durbin (D)
Senate - IL
ILLINOIS VICTORY '96 Won $1,250
primary 10/31/96

REZKO, ANTOINE
CHICAGO, IL 60610 NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE CONTRIBUTIONS (R) - $250
primary 08/16/96

REZKO, ANTOIN S
RESTAURANT ETC GILES, PERCY Z (D)
House (IL District: 07)
GILES FOR CONGRESS (AN ILLINOIS NOT FOR PROFIT CORPORATION) Lost $500
primary 03/17/96

REZKO, ANTOIN S
CHICAGO, IL 60622
CRUCIAL CONCESSIONS STEELE, BOBBIE L (D)
House (IL District: 07)
BOBBIE L STEELE FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE Lost $500
primary 03/08/96

REZKO, ANTOIN
CHICAGO, IL
PANDA EXPRESS QUINN, PAT (D)
Senate - IL
PAT QUINN FOR U S SENATE INC Lost $1,000
primary 02/14/96

REZKO, ANTONIO
CHICAGO, IL 60610
PANDA EXPRESS OF CHICAGOLAND LAZIO, RICK A (R)
House (NY District: 02)
LAZIO FOR CONGRESS Won $1,000

primary 11/08/95

REZKO, ANTOIN
GLENVIEW, IL 60025
REZKO FOODS BLAGOJEVICH, ROD (D)
House (IL District: 05)
FRIENDS OF ROD BLAGOJEVICH Won $1,000
primary 11/02/95

REZKO, ANTOIN
CHICAGO, IL 60610
PANDA EXPRESS Luis V. Gutierrez (D)
House (IL District: 04)
GUTIERREZ FOR CONGRESS Won $1,000
primary 10/17/95

REZKO, ANTOIN S
GLENVIEW, IL 60025
REZMAR CORPORATION PALMER, ALICE J (D)
House (IL District: 02)
FRIENDS OF ALICE PALMER Lost $500
primary 01/28/95

REZKO, ANTOIN S
GLENVIEW, IL 60025
REZMAR CORPORATION PALMER, ALICE J (D)
House (IL District: 02)
FRIENDS OF ALICE PALMER Lost $500 01/28/95

REZKO, ANTOIN
CHICAGO, IL 60622
REZMAR CORP Luis V. Gutierrez (D)
House (IL District: 04)
GUTIERREZ FOR CONGRESS Won $1,000
general 02/08/94

REZKO, ANTOIN
CHICAGO, IL
REZMAR CORP STREETER, ALLAN (IND)
House (IL District: 02)
ALLAN STREETER FOR CONGRESS Lost $1,000
primary 11/01/93

REZKO, ANTOIN
CHICAGO, IL 60622
REZMAR CORP Luis V. Gutierrez (D)
House (IL District: 04)
GUTIERREZ FOR CONGRESS Won $1,000
primary 07/30/93

REZKO, ANTONIE
CHICAGO, IL 60615
REZKO FOODS INC Luis V. Gutierrez (D)
House (IL District: 04)
GUTIERREZ FOR CONGRESS

http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/Tony_Rezko.php
$11,065 Republican
$61,750 Democrat
$1,000 Independent
total: $73,815

Election Picks
19 wins, 17 losses
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:37 PM
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23. Where's your evidence that Obama did? He hasn't been charged with anything has he?
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:22 PM
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8. well, no, not necessarily true
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:40 PM
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25. Even if there's a donation, there's zero evidence of any wrongdoing.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:42 PM
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28. Hey, just like with Obama!
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:47 PM
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34. I don't know - I haven't followed the Rezko story.
I do understand that there is a case that there was a 17 year relationship and some sort of land purchase.

I don't expect there's anything wrong with those things either, though there might be with fudging about whether Rezko was known or not.

I apologize if I got something in that wrong or left out some salient details - as I said, I have not followed it particularly.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:21 PM
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4. If you believe that, then I guess Bush didn't know Abramoff either.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:22 PM
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7. Unless it concerns Bush & Co., of course. n/t
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:23 PM
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9. I say...keep bringing it up...keeps Rezko in the news...
Keeps Obama on the defensive...and they look like idiots...

So Obamatons...if you wanna try and link Rezko to Hillary...go at it...and we'll see you in Denver as poor Baracky makes his little consolation speech!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:23 PM
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10. Yes, they both just happened to be walking past this backdrop and this stage,
and thought it would be great for them to take a nice posed picture.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:23 PM
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11. Try telling that to all the desperate people on this forum who parrot Drudge's stuff
and who can't think of any other way to bring the mighty Clinton machine down but to post some long lost picture as if it actually means anything when it doesn't mean squat.
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:23 PM
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12. Must Be A Republican Thing....



....Remember Cheney said he had never met/seen Edwards before the 2004 debates and like MAGIC the two of them sat next to each other at a breakfast....

.....Strange how that happens......Hillary is showing signs she is a repubby..
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:24 PM
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13. This is actually good for the Clinton campaign
It keeps Rezko's name on the front page and (for the backstory) the reporters have to explain who Rezko is and what his relationship to Obama is.

Bill must be laughing.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:25 PM
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14. Even though I'm an Obama supporter and volunteer...
I think that newspapers pick the worst possible pictures of Hillary to print. When they use shadows to make her look horrible, I just can't read the article. (Now I want all you Hillary people to bookmark this post for future brownie points.)
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:26 PM
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15. Ya, OK
Funny I didn't hear that from the Dems when the Abramoff photo surfaced...



Nice flip flop.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:30 PM
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19. When you said: "I didn't hear that from THE DEMS,"
it sounds like you are not a Dem, i.e. that statement seems to differenciate your positions from the Dems'.

Just saying.
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:41 PM
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27. "Hilbots" would be more appropriate.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:44 PM
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31. So you only think "Hilbots" screamed about the */Abramoff connection?
Totally deluded, huh?
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:28 PM
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38. Not what I think at all...
I'm just saying a majority of Hilbots, as most other DUers, were probably jumping up and down and pointing as the first pictures of Bush and Abramoff surfaced. Now the Hilbots are like "ho hum...a picture means nothing."
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:55 PM
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36. The issue with Abramoff was not that he was known or that he was a donor,
but that he used donations for influence.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:27 PM
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16. Here:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:28 PM
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17. It's all about South Carolina--it's a "Just in Case" kick in the ass.
Of course, I looked up Rezko's contributions going ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1991, and I haven't found ANY for Clinton. Neither Bill, nor Hill.

AT ALL.

http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/Tony_Rezko.php

I did find MANY for Barack Obama and a few for George Bush. One for Rick Lazio!

And one for Barbara Boxer!!

But none for Senator Clinton--not one. Gee, interesting, that.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:28 PM
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18. Clinton should've done her homework before attacking Obama for Rezko
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 01:28 PM by Hippo_Tron
Now she has to spend time doing damage control.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:32 PM
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21. No damage control necessary. Rezko NEVER contributed to her or Bill.
See MADems post in this thread.

Obama is burying himself with these stupid tactics. All it is doing is keep HIS Rezko scandal front and center.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:38 PM
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24. As Bush/Abramoff showed, embarrassing pictures are weapons regardless of
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 01:39 PM by Occam Bandage
the truth value of the allegations the pictures might be implying.

After all, Obama has done nothing illegal related to Rezko. There's no evidence he was aware of any illegality Rezko was committing. This is all a game of perception and association we're playing, and that's a very dangerous game to play. Clinton is on shaky ground here; one misstep could either send the conversation back to Hsu, or could result in this whole thing becoming a wash.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:42 PM
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29. HAHAHAHAHA!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:44 PM
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32. This story is 15 days old and nobody is reading it today except you
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:46 PM
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33. Nothing has changed from, gasp, 15 whole days ago.
I dare you to link something verifying that Obama is cleared in the matter.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:56 PM
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37. And I dare you to link something verifying that Obama is accused of absolutely any wrongdoing.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:43 PM
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30. Yup that's pretty spot on
Clinton just handed Obama this thing like a gift. Now she's off message the day before the SC primary.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:53 PM
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35. Interesting strategy: keep Rezko in the news.
There have probably been less intuitive strategies that have worked.
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