Let's make a list of saintly politicians who have never changed a position

No myths allowed in this thread. I'll start. Ok, I'm done.

Your turn.

the first post to the thread sunk it.

Done and done.

are you sure he's progressive enough to trust?

:)

Checking...

You might be thinking of his yes votes to limit MFN or elements of it.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:EW1gu19P5KkJ:www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php%3Fcan_id%3D27110+Bernie+Sanders,+most+favored+nation,+china,+vote&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Vote to adopt a joint resolution that would deny an extension of China's normal trade relations status with the United States.

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Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.): There is a reason why the largest multinational corporations in this country are spending tens of millions of dollars to see this legislation passed, and that reason is they like doing business in China where they can pay people 10 cents an hour, 15 cents an hour, rather than paying the workers in this country a living wage. And there is another reason why the environmental community is opposed to this agreement, why the veterans community is opposed to this agreement, why religious organizations like the National Conference of Catholic Bishops are opposed to this agreement, and that is this agreement is bad for workers, it is bad for human rights, it is bad for the environment, and it is bad for national security. I would hope that the members of this Congress have the courage to stand up to the big money interests who are flooding Congress with contributions, with lobbying efforts, and with advertising, and do the right thing for the vast majority of the American people. Vote against this agreement.

trying to remember the language so I can find a link... so many votes re: China!

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V1361&can_id=27110


yes -- 1997



Key Vote

China Most-Favored-Nation resolution

Official Title of Legislation:

H Con Res 79: Disapproving the extension of nondiscriminatory treatment (most-favored-nation status) to the products of the People's Republic of China.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

Vote to adopt a resolution that disapproves of President Clinton's renewal of China's Most-Favored-Nation status through July 3, 1998.


House Passage Vote: 6/24/1997: Failed: 173-259 (Roll no. 231).

Last Updated: 5/27/2005

in that one he's voting against it.

Maybe I'm not remembering that vote right ... :blush:

But maybe not. I doubt he would been so vocal and filed simultaneous bills to kill it of he had voted yes. But stranger things have happened in the world of politics.

In any case, I'll say it again. Bernie for President!

:blush:

:dunce:


And yeah... I'd so love Bernie as President. *sigh*

Too bad about the whole mushy middle thing... we need proportional representation dammit!

Voted NO on banning soft money donations to national political parties. (Jul 2001)
Voted YES on banning soft money and issue ads. (Sep 1999)

The devil is always in the details.

Soft money can refer to anything from Big Corporate Bribes to contributions from unions and issue advocacy groups like Move On....And Poison pills can always be inserted into such reforms, such as barring unbions from any political activity.

So whether or not banning such donations (or otherwise limiting outside resources for political parties or candidates) is a good thing is often a matter of interpretation.

I don't know the exact devils in these details concerning Bernie's votes. But I'd betcha, knowing Bernie, that his reasons for both votes were totally consistent with each other.

It's so nice they share a family resemblance.

Pat Leahy has been remarkably consistent. He's fought for the same things for that entire time. And then of course, there's Bernie. Maybe we just have a better breed of politician here. Oh, and neither of them have ever taken advantage of their positions in gov't to benefit financially. As for their earmarks; admirable.

edit: double post

Next.

always was. And as I said, he has a remarkably consistent record and philosophy. Next.

You know, like Hillary and Edwards. :)

"Consistent record and philosophy." What vague mush. Next you will be telling us about Leahy offering "hope" too! Give us the details.

And Sanders was against Yucca Mountain until he was for it. Sanders also supported the Texas Lege's efforts to dump NE waste on poor people in West Texas.

I guess even your saintly Vermont politicians aren't perfect. Great of course, but not perfect.

Oh wait... the Iraqi War Resolution. And the Bankrupcy Act. And the Yukka bill.

you have a rigid stubborn individual with no flexiblity who
is unfit to lead.

Though I would still support him, since no politician is perfect. :)

:)

He's never taken a position, has he?

"Present!" :evilgrin:

:evilgrin:

:spank:

I am sure an obamite will be "present" any moment now to tell us the One True Candidate has never changed positions on anything.

I can't count Kucinich, because I know he changed his vote on choice.

overall he was very consistent.

I think out of respect to the deceased we should leave them out of this. This thread is more about the idiocy of crucifying Hillary and Edawrds, or anyone else, for changing positions by certain folks who pretend their guy never has.

Kucinich has as many flip flops as Edwards and Hillary. Even the guy so many would cite as the example of consistency is as inconsistent as those evil flip floppers Hillary and Edwards!

For shame, wyldwolf!

anyone who expects ideological consistency / purity simply doesn't understand politics.

*sigh*

PAUL WELLSTONE voted for the Patriot Act? WTF? I thought only rethug lite sellouts like Hillary and Edwards did?

Only Feingold and noted progressive Fritz Holling voted against it.

No true Democrat would do that. Next. Paul is not pure enough.

I know she was the only one who voted against going to Afghanistan.

I don't know enough about her to comment but, since she is a politician, I would be amazed if she hasn't changed a position or two. Or three. Or four. :)

Of the California 9th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Lee

Barbara Lee, then!

But, calling either of them politicians is a bit of a stretch.

Oh, yeah. Maximilian Robespierre known as "The Incorruptible".

Against the PATRIOT Act from the beginning.

I only post that to point out that no one is perfect, especially no politician. Sanders would be my ideal candidate within the US system, but even he supported (indirectly) screwing poor brown people in West Texas. Go figure.

It's important for people to realize - they ALL make mistakes!

Only SOME of them fess up to it. :)

no matter what happened on Tuesday" - Colbert