When Hillary said "Slum lord", was she really whispering "Slum"?!?

I was thinking about Norman Hsu just now. That's HIllary's sleazy fundraiser, err, umm, actually she called him her "Hillraiser". Anyway, he's no slumlord that for sure. But he sure is a sleazebag.

Anyway, what is the difference between them? Why is it important that Rezko is a slumlord?

Then I realized the answer.

Perhaps for Hillary, there is no room for slum lords, nor slums.

Perhaps laying out that word "slum" was the important thing.

There are some cynics who might think so. Who might think that candidates choose their words VERY carefully, fully cognizant of the subtext.

Ya think?

of your post.

But I'll let other people tell you.

Let me have it then.

Call me on the phone --and I'll give it to you with both barrels.

You have the phone number --but I certainly won't do it on DU.

YOU could care less about what YOU do.

dig the hole even deeper.

I've lived in slums --have you?

But the quick answer is yes.

And was this one of your "black only" slums?

Your racial construct argument for the comment is so off --and really quite inexcusable of you.

I find you to be inexcusable as well.

You know exactly what you're doing, Bonobo.

Because I enjoy being correct and winning.

Hillary planted that term "slum" upon Obama in that sound bite as surely as the Bonobo is the horniest primate on the planet.

It was intentional.

You are being uncharacteristically obtuse.

What should she have referred to him as?

Shall Obama just prance to the Whitehouse whilst we all walk on eggshells for him?

You chose that word intentionally!

What are you implying!

No, seriously though, the fact that he WAS a slum landlord does not mean that Hillary was not acting with the full intention as I stated.

That he needs to be a lot tougher if he's going to win the GE.

Of course it was intentional for Hillary to use slum landlord.

But it's a class statement, just as Obama's calling Hillary a corporate lawyer serving on Walmart was a class statement.

Obama was painting Hillary as someone on the other side of the poverty fence --so Hillary returned fire and painted Obama that way.

Big effing deal.

The REASON, I asked you if you ever lived in a slum is because-- what do you picture when you picture a slumlord?

What do people who live in slums picture?

hint



What do people picture when they picture a Walmart board member?

hint

Yes, it IS about class. Less so, race. But it's the combination and yes, you are right that Hill is trying to paint him on the other side.

THAT was the point of my OP. I am gratified that you seem to have finally gotten it.

White people who live in slums see this.



It has nothing to do with race.


You can use your photo if Hillary calls Obama a pimp though.




--and why don't you acknowledge that Barack hit first?

Hmmmmmmm?

So you're wrong.

And now doesn't your rhetoric seem a little over the top when you see the point that I was making?

WTF were you even thinking with that?

and not very well.

and still are BTW.

It was Hillary who did that.

It is unimportant if you call it race or class. The two are intertwined.

Slums = Mostly non-white poor people. So does that make it race or class or both?

You are backtracking because you know I am correct about the subtext being intentional.

It's obvious what you are doing --you're STILL doing it.

You just did it in the post I'm responding to.

The subtext was class. Not race. It was a quid-pro-quo response to Obama's attack on Hillary.

I got ya.

Better luck next time.

So I won.

Thanks for your interest.

Then, at least, I'd know you that you knew me.

but okay.

???

I'm sure she said exactly what you heard. Slum lord.

Direct on where it hurts Direct on where it hurts Direct on where it hurts.

To black people, it fosters an image of another rich guy screwing over a poor black neighborhood.

She was trying to sour the SC blacks on supporting Obama by using a racially charged description.

Of course, Hillary doesnt play the race card, thats just a silly rumor started by the Obama campaign and/or the media....
:eyes:

Yeah, right.

you ... it's economic, and definitely not exclusive to African Americans. I heard her emphasis on 'slum' ... she's seen some in New York.

white communities.

What you just said makes me wonder about your attitude or your knowledge level...apparently, you think that ONLY black people are poor, and ONLY black people live in slums???

Interesting, that.

Painting the word "Slum" onto Obama puts him "in his place" quite effectively.

The Obama camp is really coming apart at the seams if this is the kind of shit they're putting out.

Hopefully, this is just the lame ramblings of those who think they're "helping."

The word was painted on REZKO, and the FRIENDSHIP with him was painted on Obama...if you want to use the "paint" analogy.

Many people fear the city, they fear the slums.

Whether it is a white suburban woman or man or an old country black person who is scared by rap or loud "Spanish" music or too many cars or garbage in the streets or whatever.

The "slums" conjure negative imagery.

She painted the word on Obama intentionally.

What the fuck is so hard to understand about that?

that's the term she'd use. If he associated with a thief or a swindler, she'd likely use those words.

I love the pathetic parsing going on here. What, should she have called a guy who charged overpriced rents for horribly maintained apartments that he rented to the least of our brethren a ...what? A Meanie Landlord? Would that make you happy?

:rofl:

Fucking pathetic! Many people FEAR the city, they FEAR the slums!!!!

:rofl:

No offense, but that line of argument is asinine. It's 'hard to understand' because it's idiotic.

Slum lords exist in all races. Stop the bullshit.

It looks extraordinarily familiar. It's clearly south Chicago, near the lake...I wanna say like 47th st? Maybe 70th st? I know it's all pretty much the same, but for some reason I swear I've seen that exact same view before.

Anyway, I'm thinking the "slumlord" business was just gunning for, "hey, you took money from someone who exploited people."

Yeah, I know where that is, but I've never had reason to go there unless I'm taking a trip up to the Baha'i temple or something.

of its... what do you linguists say? The two different types of meanings... I forget.

"Hard to say," and then providing an argument for and an argument against. That is because academia teaches you to be an enormous coward. So I'll resist that temptation.

Yes, I think she knew fully its negative connotations (I assume you were talking about connotation/denotation) and, more explicitly, its racial-power-structure connotations. However, I think that her goal stops there. I think she was concerned that Barack's Civil-Rights/Wal-Mart distinction had tarnished her with the image of complicity towards a predatory economic oppressor; she therefore chose to retaliate in kind by tarnishing Obama with the same brush. I think that she might find any other overtones--say, about slums and their inhabitants--welcome, but I think they're something of a fifth wheel when it comes to her goal.

Wow, that's kinda hard to follow.

As such, I'd say that while she was aware of all the word's connotations, she was aiming to use only its "oppressor" image against Obama. She found the rest of the connotations to be acceptable, sure, but since those weren't really part of the narrative she was building, all she was looking for there was that they not in any way undermine her message.

That's my take.

This is GDP, not fucking "Semiotic Underground"!

Give a simple, one sentence answer willya!

Okay. I think she only meant to use the exact same connotations that were in Barack's Wal-Mart line; the rest were unnecessary and thus probably beside the point. She knew about them, she didn't mean to avoid them, she didn't mean to draw special attention to them.

disastrously misplaced guess to that picture shows, I can be very, very wrong and still think I'm right as daylight.

And he introduced him to his TOP donor now, who also sits on his finance committee.

Just sayin'.....

Just another accident they will claim.

stratification, not racial divides. Seems you're injecting race where it don't belong.

In the minds of middle class white folks who have not seen slums, the word conjures imagery of dirt, violence, desperation, drugs, all that good stuff.

Race has got nothing to do with it. It's "Classism" riding along with its best friend "Race" that's all.

You're wrong. You lost the argument. Could not refute it, and went out with a loser's reply.

Who the fuck elected you as the arbiter of what "middle class white folks" think about anything? If the word slum "conjures imagery of dirt, violence, desperation, and drugs", might I suggest that you fight your own personal demons with your shrink, rather than boring us with the patented FoxNews "some people think" bullshit?

Try some other lame personal attack. That was too weak.

the ever popular whining about "personal attacks". Holy shit, you're a regular fountain of well-reasoned and logical discourse, aren't you?
Oh, and please, if you feel you've been "personally attacked" again, take two aspirins, and either grow a thicker skin, or stay the fuck away from internet message boards.

You're wrong, you lost the argument, could not refute it, and went out with a loser's reply. Buh-bye indeed.

From memory, I recall you said something like...

"Who the fuck declared you're the sole arbiter for what white people think anyway!?"

Well, no one. But let me ask you. Is there ANYONE that is the sole arbiter for that? The answer is no. No one could ever make any statement that would cover all people.

So wouldn't that make your stupid personal rant against me, an idiotic straw man?

a flat out caricature of a partisan buffoon. And by the way, I never used the word "sole" arbiter. Your inclusion of the word was designed to buttress a failing argument and was a transparent attempt to place a different nuance to my post. But then, I'll bet you don't do "nuance" any more than you do "logic" or "honesty", do you?

and exactly.

Sucking up to another poster to talk about me as if I wasn't in the room.

Pathetic.

I didn't realize I couldn't talk to other people.

So very sorry.

try working with the right quote. From my memory she said "slum landlord" - not slumlord.

Robert Johnson's remark about Obama doing something or other in "the neighborhood" might have well have referred to the "hood" or the "slums" or the ghetto or something similar. The references to Obama's alleged connection with sex shops and with cocaine, slums, and the hood all seem to be trying to portary him with a backdrop of what some idiotic Americans tend to stereotypically associate with any black man: slums, sex, and drugs. It's trying to subtley and carefully craft an image for Obama that he's a blacker-than-black candidate and not a candidate for all Americans as he has tried to portray himself, without being too obvious. In my opinion, it's a conscious and joint effort to build a kind of "Marion Barry" subtext around the name Obama. Hillary could have used the Rezko reference without using the word "slum", but she didn't. She could have referred to any number of "present" votes other than the reference to sex shops but she chose to mention something with "sex" in it.

This picture for your information was taken at a Carol Mosley-Braum fundraiser and you know how long ago that was. The man's supporter donated $10,000 to CAROL MOSLEY-BRAUM not to the Clintons. And they took pictures with lots of people that day.

But then HIS supporters don't need the truth when they tell so darn many lies. But NBC has been informed. Of course SOMEONE gave that picture to drudge and I just wonder who.

Oh, that was probably just the last thing you cut and pasted, right?

The Clintons have taken the Democratic primaries to the lowest low in history all for their ambition.

Looking for a single honest Hillary supporter.