If this REZKO matter isn't fully examined now the RePUKE nominee would bring it up every single day

if Obama won the nomination this would be examined. It needs to be done now before it's too late.

with dirty money from the guy she was trying to use to bash Obama, things run much, much deeper than anyone can see. Even she can't keep track of all her corrupt donors.

I used to think you were one of the more reasonable posters here. I was wrong.

You don't give a damn about it, and neither do I. Neither of us give a damn about Hsu, either. Fundraising is all playing six-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon with blindfolds. Frankly, the guy Hillary took money from is a guy who--if he had given that money to Obama--would be lumped in with the "Rezko-associated lawyers," since most of that money is about as far removed from the central scandal as this money is.

My point--as it has been through this entire fake-ass "affair"--is that nobody is clean. Each of the three candidates have taken dirty money, and each of the three returned it when they got caught. Obviously nobody knew the money they were taking was dirty; no politician would ever sell their credibility for a measly $50k. And each of the three have, when caught, reacted appropriately.

This entire thing is bullshit left and right, and I'm getting sick of the false sanctimony coming from people sharing your avatar, just as I would be if it were people with my avatar bitching about Hsu or some shit.

and using childish names like "Goddess of Peace". I expect it from some of the losers here, but was surprised to see you using such terms.

Oh well - you're certainly not the first person to disappoint me here.

Because it's lame as hell. Strategy one? Ignore. Strategy two? Patiently explain. Strategy three? Ignore.

Strategy four? Point out exactly how stupid this whole affair is. Nothing I said tonight--absolutely nothing--is anything but par for the course in this trainwreck. To complain about "Goddess of Peace" after standing quiet on the dozens of childish Obama slurs is somewhere between selective and hypocritical (which is par for this entire affair). And for the record, in the other thread, I did respond to reasoned responses with full explanations as to my point: nobody is clean, nobody is immune, nobody is meeting the standards we're pretending to hold up to the opposition.

If you disagree with using bullshit to point out bullshit, then that's your right. Lord knows I've repeatedly said that metabullshit is rarely effective. But when you take issue with metabullshit, and yet refrain from comment on true bullshit, well...I find it hard to take your chiding seriously.

against stupid attacks.

what color is the sky there?

There's nothing there, which is why she has the best chance to defeat the Repugnants. Obama history the other hand, has numerous unvetted problems. The Rethugs would have a field day tearing him apart. That's why Dems would be in real trouble if he were to get the nomination.

:-)

I agree they should be vetted, but not in the misleading/hysterical way they have been. Remember that insane YouTube video from a few days back? When that, the Reagan comments, any one of Bill Clinton's statements, the race issue (re: both sides) and the Rezko business are all given the same level of hysterical "OMG THIS WILL SINK HIM/HER," the net effect is not useful.

I've been very disinterested in counter accusations of race cards and Rezko.

But her bags have been open for 15 years. I can't say the same for Obama.

Came back to bite her in the butt.

a photo at somebody else's fundraiser, taken 11 years before she called him a slumlord (actually, she said "slum landlor").

too.

If she wins, (God forbid!) you are going to feel how I feel trying to explain Ronald Reagan and all the other untruths the Clintons laid on Obama.

If it happens, I'm gonna sit back laugh. Hillary will reap what she sowed.

him?

Norman Hsu, is a convicted pyramid investment promoter who associated himself with the apparel industry. His business activities were intertwined with his role as a major fundraiser for the Democratic Party, and he gained notoriety after suspicious patterns of bundled campaign contributions were reported in 2007.<3> Subsequently he was discovered to have been a long-time fugitive in connection with a 1992 fraud conviction.<4><5> After turning himself in to California authorities in 2007 he fled the state again and was quickly recaptured.<6><7><8><9><10><11><12>

By 2007, Hsu's status within Hillary Rodham Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign had risen to the level where he was a "HillRaiser",<23><29> someone who had "bundled" more than $100,000 for her campaign, and to where he co-hosted a $1 million fundraiser at wealthy Democratic Party supporter Ron Burkle's Beverly Hills estate,<3> and in September, he was scheduled to co-host a major gala fundraising event featuring music legend Quincy Jones.<17>

Charlie Trie: The most significant one-time illegal foreign contribution was a $460,000 donation by Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie to President Bill Clinton's legal defense fund. The donation was made by delivery of an envelope containing $460,000 in $1,000 contributions, some on sequentially numbered money orders made out in different names but with the same handwriting.<9>

Johnny Chung: Chung was eventually convicted of bank fraud, tax evasion, and two misdemeanor counts of conspiring to violate election law.<31> Chung asserts that, after his guilty plea, the Chinese government attempted to assassinate him with "hit squads" three times, but the efforts were foiled by the FBI.<32>

Peter Paul: Paul emerged in 2000 as the largest contributor to Senatorial candidate Hillary Clinton. Paul and his attorneys have at various times offered two explanations for this. First, that he was trying to attract her husband, then-President Bill Clinton, to serve on the board of Stan Lee Media after leaving office. Second, that he hoped to negotiate a pardon for his previous criminal convictions.<28><29> Paul produced and underwrote what he described as the largest fund raising event ever held for a federal candidate <30>, in Los Angeles, days before the 2000 Democratic Convention began. The Hollywood Farewell Gala Salute to President William Jefferson Clinton featured prominent entertainers singing for the President, while raising over $1 million for Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.<31> The event cost $1.9 million to organize according to Paul and $500,000 according to the Federal Election Commission filing, much of it borrowed fraudulently by Paul from Merrill Lynch. Later indictments would state that Merrill Lynch lost about $5 million it had lent to Paul.<29>

Two days after the gala, the Washington Post publicized Paul's criminal record, and Hillary Clinton denied knowing Paul and "vowed not to take any contributions from him". Through her official spokesman, Howard Wolfson, Hillary stated on August 16, 2000 that she would return $2,000 she reported receiving from Paul in June 2000,<29> and would not have anything further to do with him.

John Huang: John Huang (pronounced "Hwä"), was another major figure convicted. Born in 1945 in Nanping, Fujian, Huang and his father fled to Taiwan at the end of the Chinese Civil War before he eventually emigrated to the United States in 1969. A former employee of the Indonesian company Lippo Group's Lippo Bank and its owners Mochtar Riady and his son James (whom Huang first met along with Bill Clinton at a financial seminar in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1980), Huang became a key fund-raiser within the DNC in 1995. While there, he raised $3.4 million for the party. Nearly half had to be returned when questions arose regarding their source during later investigations by Congress.<33>

Marc Rich: Marc Rich, a fugitive, was pardoned of tax evasion, after clemency pleas from Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, among many other international luminaries. He was required to pay a $100 million dollar fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case. Critics complained that Denise Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton's senate campaign. Emails uncovered during the course of the investigation revealed that her final donation was provided a year before Scooter Libby requested that she approach Clinton for a pardon. According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels of oil.<16>

I'll stop here, but I can go on if you like.

Source: Wikipedia.

against Hillary.

Norman Hsu was a Hillraiser...that is funny.

relationship?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

Reported by Chrish - January 25, 2008

Steve Doocy didn't come out and say "this is huuuuge" today 1/25/08, but he was clearly excited at the release of a picture (dating by the hairdo I'm estimating 1992-1993) of the Clintons posing with none other than Tony Rezko between them. Rezko, you'll recall, is under indictment in Chicago and was pointedly brought up by Hillary Clinton in Monday's Democratic debate as a "slumlord" who Barack Obama represented and has had a long-term relationship with.

Doocy first excitedly teased that "A very embarrassing moment is about to take place on the Democrats' side." and reminded viewers of the exchange Monday night. Brian Kilmeade responded "So wait, Tony Rezko's the problem with Barack Obama and that's Tony Rezko in the middle with Hillary Clinton???" Doocy answered "Yes, can you believe it? How delicious is that?"

Thirty minutes later, after Gretchen Carlson made a grand exit from the set to go to the Miss America pageant, Doocy repeated that "Suddenly out of nowhere this morning on the Internet the most embarrassing photograph of the presidential campaign has surfaced. it links Hillary Clinton to that man right there, between her and her husband Bill Clinton...that guy is Tony Resko." He reminded viewers again of Monday night's exchange, papraphrasing that Hillary Clinton said Obama "had been cozy" with this guy and his slum landlord business (actually, she charged that Obama was representing Rezko).

http://www.newshounds.us/2008/01/25/clintons_picture_with_rezko_has_fox_friends_in_a_tizzy.php

Republicans love this stuff. Its going to be ALL over the talkshows and the internet and cable...the public won't know the difference. KARMA!!!

But I'm sure she is used to that.

And she is used to defending her indicted friends because she has so much experience at it.

Eww.

I used to feel bad for her, but when I realized it was right up her alley I lost all sympathy.

She will be good at defending the tactics because she is one of them...the distorters, the manipulators, the purveyor of untruths.

Why do you think I can't stand her? Its because I lump her with those who are bad influences on our political system.

If they deliberately lie and manipulate the public I won't stand for it.

And I find it worse when it is someone in my group.

If I find dishonesty on the other side, well, what do you expect from them.

But I expect my people to do better than that.

:lol:

I want my side to be the good guys. That is why I like Keith Olbermann. He's my guy!!!

:lol:

I ain't got no dog in that fight.

against the "Culture of Corruption". The party with the "wide stance"; "CIA outers"; "liars"; etc.

Rezko - if there is anything there - there - is small potatoes in comparison.

The only people who want to make it an issue are the people who support a candidate with 25 cases where Rezko looks like a garden nymph.

So they can bring him up with her too. Which would be a sort of karmic retribution for Senator Clinton.

Real smart. :lol:

bring up Hsu for Clinton or revisit all the old crap that has already been vetted but will be examined ad nauseum even if nothing was found the first time around.

It doesn't matter who our candidate is, the GOP will Swiftboat, smear, slime, imply and lie about him or her. Just because Clinton has been 'vetted' that doesn't mean they'll shut the fuck up.

Mz Pip
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