MSNBC EXIT POLL: 75% of Black voters believe the Clinton's Unfairly Played the Race Card.

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By threatening the white population with the black population? Gosh, I'm so looking forward to it.

This isn't so much about Obama, like I've said before, but about the Clinton campaign.

It's a plain threat that the entire black population of the United States is the puppet of Barack Obama. Give him what he wants or they'll do whatever suits him.

I do NOT want President Messiah Obama. But I'll vote for him if he's the candidate because I'm a Democrat. The poster I responded to says that black Democrats care nothing for democratic process, only getting Obama. If they don't get Obama, they will not participate. That's a threat. And I have no problem saying so every time I see it.

It isn't "Obama or else" rather "Anybody but Clinton." People seem to forget that Edwards is still in the race and hasn't inflamed the same negative passions that the Clintons have.

...and Obama using the medias overreaction for sympathy. Hillary mentioned Martin Luther King and Obama jumped in as if it was some sort of attack on him, which is wasn't, it had absolutely nothibg to do with him. Thats how it started. Mentioning King during MLK week is not playing the race card, sorry. Obama pretending that Hillary talking about King is an attack on himself, is playing the race card. Now Obama is playing the victim card. You hear nothing about issues coming from his camp, just whining about the Clinton's. The pity card wont get him very far.

You are just too smart for that Svengali.

:rofl:

Huh? Are you anticipating a race war?

Ya lost me on that one.

People of color are angry and rightly so. The Clintonian DLC are way to "full of themselves" if they deluded themselves into thinking that they could dredge up the ghost of Lee Atwater and not leave *scorched earth.*

What little respect that I still held for Bill Clinton has dissipated due his recent "freak show" behavior.

But the Corporate DLC continues to chant for the bandwagon effect:

"When a Clinton does it, it's alright."

Bullshit! It's deplorable. :nuke:

Completely unelectable.

Take that, Old Dog!

And Obama's decline among whites is more threatening to him than the Clintons' troubles with blacks due to simple math.

The LGBT community represents somewhere between 8% and 15% of the electorate when you count in friends and family, and from what I can see on the ground, that demographic is deserting Obama in droves. Some not without a struggle--some are still claiming they can hold their noses hard enough; some tried to and gave up--but look for gays, bis and trannies to head into the Hillary camp.

us uppity queers should speak up. :sarcasm:

Obama's appeal to homophobes has forced a lot of LGBT's to confront the question of just where the limit lies--will I hold my nose and vote for this man who talks the talk but just threw us under the bus, or have I just goddam well had enough of that kind of hypocricy? Lots of us have just had enough.

"Liberal" whites, or "liberals" of any other color for that matter, who vote for Obama apparently are fine with his double-talk and double-standard. That, unfortunately, makes them "look like shit."

in the general election if Clinton ends up being the dem nominee.

And since whites are a bigger share of the population that is an even bigger problem.

The solution is voting for Edwards. He has not run a racially divisive campaign. He will be able to unite all Democrats of all colors.

Obama won with race baiting. He won with pinning it on the Clintons. Expect LOTS more of it.

Hillary. Its a prime example of HRC talking points. Keep it up!

of statements by numerous surrogates invariably followed by apologies. They played with fire and may have gotten burned. And frankly these divisions sadden me.

It depends largely on whether you define Hillary responding to Obama's comment about MLK as racist. What is clear both sides (both=the celebrity $200 million candidates. Edwards didn't) played the race card at some point.

I'm talking about Shaheen, Young, Johnson, Cuomo, Penn, Kerrey and others. I'm talking about the constant line out of the Clinton campaign about SC.

Since when is mentioning Obama's record of cocaine use racist? Whites use cocaine too. Ditto Johnson. Kerrey was another example of the swiftboating. He said the same thing months before he endorsed Clinton and what he said is exactly what Obama said last week about his Muslim heritage and how the Muslim world would perceive America if he were elected. It was total BS. Cuomo is a stronger example but even there he was taken out of context. I don't know what Penn said. Young was racist. I'll give you that. There also was a general pattern of the Clinton and their cronies of bringing race up.

and says NO, mrs. clintons comments were not racial.

you swoop down to tell them they've been baited? This reeks of old-time racism.

She may win the battle but lose the war.

:evilfrown:

who has objectively watched the news or read the papers or followed the campaigns, know exactly who is responsible for this. And its not Obama. Hillary supporters can't whine and moan and cast aspersions all they want. They're as full of it as the Clintons are.

and if it comes down to just hillary and obama by the time i vote...i will vote for obama. I'm just so proud of Edwards that he has behaved so admirably through out this primary.

thus simple psychology and math make it a victory over all for the Clintons. There is no other way to put it. Gutter politics by people who think they are smarter than everyone an have a right to govern them.

The message will be that Oboma won because of blacks.

:puke:

Swiftboat, my ass.

When undecideds break.

because of it. He shouldn't be happy about it though.

and I think that that side will probably pay the price in this primary.

But no one should be "happy" about it.

before Obama?

and I live in North Carolina. I've formed my own opinions about what has happened and I realize there are opinions distinct from my own.

True, some of these "concerned white folk" may now just be noticing things because they put their stock in a black person. They got involved and are suddenly paying attention. Of course, there are white folks who have long payed attention long before Obama showed up, but I know what you mean about some people suddenly coming out of the woodwork being concerned now that Obama is a realistic possibility.

especially the "lessons" you gave on racist statements not too long ago.

:hi:

Sit, Big Dog, Sit.

Very ominous for the Clintons.

When CNN reports things like "The Democrat Black Caucus" states if Hillary is the nominee that the African American's will not show up to vote in the general election. Whether it was stated by them or not, I remember it being reported by CNN. Also, I hope people, rather, I wished people wouldn't watch CNN because every other soundbite by CNN talks about race.

:)

Great win, by the way!

That sounds like a push poll type question to me.

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I'm afraid I made it sound as though the question was meant to influence the outcome of the primary. My thinking was that it was intended to influence the outcome of the general election (and in that way it was like a push poll question).

My suspicion is that the question is part of a campaign to intensify divisions between the Clinton and Obama camps, making it less likely that a supporter of one candidate will vote for the other candidate in the general. (Benefiting the Republican, of course.)

Not at all was I suggesting that it came from either the Obama or Clinton people.

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

I would advise going in for service immediately.

They were supposed to be blinded by love for Bill's little angel. Gee what went wrong?

But we knew that going in. And we also knew the media would give him a leg up and help in that "racism" call.

What is so maddening, is that it defies logic. How could bring up race help anyone but Obama in this SC race? It could not, and yet people still nod like lemmings when the media tells them something.

Great way, Obama to bring the country together.

I imagine Carville helped too.

and he did not do that. It was Obama politics. Getting elected at any cost.

It was a poltical calculation on the part of Obama, and it worked.

He thought he could get away with boffing an intern in the oval office too.

you can attempt to deny it all you want--but the facts are there.

I heard choice parts of her post-Iowa MTP interview and it was revolting. So let's not let anybody off the hook.

You know that, don't you?

You also know that Obama has NOT *played* anyone but "The Genuine Article."

Too bad that some smarmy "old guard" believe that they can stoop so low and not get called on it.

It's called BLOW BACK. How does it feel?

Look at the history of it. Look at the facts. The "fairy tale" had nothing to do with race and Obama started it then...he knew he had to solidify the black voting block in SC, and the way to do that was cry racism.

And he did. The facts show who started this ugly mess...so much for a uniter. HIs time is now.

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Pretty fucking amazing.

:puke:

Did I log onto Stormfront by accident?

didn't have to win this way, but I don't think he wants to either--not his fault.

I'm wondering how much is MSM influence, after all. I mean, maybe these people are reacting to what they're seeing and hearing in their own communities, their own experience and observations, not like us following it primarily on TV or the Internet. It's not going to do any good for Obama or the party, though, that's for sure.

Maybe I'm being dense, but exactly when did the Clintons play this race card?

What exact quote or set of quotes?
Or, if it was an action.. which action?

Be explicit in your answer.

I'm Undecided, and trying to decide for myself: did they really play the race card, or has the media dramatized this for maximum effect, resulting in Democrats beating the crap out of each other?

It is a "low spark" of covert implications but it's VERY REAL and it *plays* to white southerners who still consciously or unconsciously hold onto racial prejudices.

It's very real and Bill Clinton played the role of the "Angry White Man" to a tee.

You want me to get ugly to be clear? It can be interpreted as a warped version of a narrative from "To Kill a Mockingbird."

Why is THAT black man (Obama) messing with my Mae Ella (HRC). Why? That black man has taken my WHITE woman's honor (implied white male *ownership* of wife) and thinks he can get aways with it. I'm incensed!

Very ugly stuff:

1) Feigned anger at one's woman being wronged;
2) Accused the opponent of what he's not doing (encouraging racism).

I say this in all seriousness: I want something explicit. Not a creation of the media looking for a narrative, and not something that is possibly projected. The media is going on and on about "The Race Card," and I'm looking for something, anything to see how they justify such coverage style. Give me a quote, or an interview, or a speech.. something incriminating.

When he got angry about "his woman" being attacked, what explicitly did Bill Clinton do or say to add a racial aspect/tone onto it? And - be honest here - is it possible that we would've seen this same "don't attack my wife" strategy coming from him, regardless of the opponent's race?

And ugliness is not necessary.

KNOW better by seeing it for myself and the internet. The MSM has them brain washed. Just like Gore invented the internet, wasn't an Alpha male, wears brown suits and oh my God...that terrible ridiculous lock box! The corporate media can make people believe anything they want. Another explanation of why the corp Media doesn't mention Edwards...unless they have to. They are scared to death of him. Almost makes me want to vote for Edwards. I'd love to see him or anyone screw the despicable media.

the murder of nicole simpson?
Obama knows that bringing up the race card will play on the sympathies of black voters...just like it played on the simpson trial. obama knows how to throw the ball and hide his hand. obama knows how to get it started, deny that he did it and then blame the clintos for it and the press ... who have never liked the clintons; the press who went along with all the george w. bush lies, the press ... the dear, incredible, censorship press which claims itself to be free and allow for truth and freedom of speech, is more than happy to go along with the obama game, blame the clintos for obama's playing the race card, and going along with hiding his hand in it ... just like they went along with hiding the truth of bush's WMDs.

this is a very sad country that we are living in, and obama is a very sorry man who can not stand up to the consequences of his actions, and who like, bush, looks for any rock to hide under the storm while blaming anyone else for the storm that he himself created.

And we all dance the jig they call for. Watch what happens in the GE no matter who wins. After all this BS with candidates pummeling each other throughout the primaries the Pukes will pick us apart in the GE. Not to mention that if either HRC or Obama get the nod as the MSM is crying out for, many Dem voters will stay home in disgust.

For two minority candidates who claim to represent great strides forward in American conciousness and enlightenment they sure are spewing a lot of garbage. I'm fed up with both of them,though less so with Obama. HRC supporters deep down you know you are full of shit if you say that she isn't the primary perpetrator of dirty tactics in this race. Obama lately has started to play along with her.

I'm completely disgusted with the whole thing.

How many people pay attention to the REAL news/internet? They just vote the way their politicians or pastors tell them. Just like they did regarding bush. The media rules! Working people don't have the time to sort out all the conflicting news stories. Can't say I blame them. If I was still working...and went to church...I'd be influenced too. I'd have a hell of a time trying to decide what was what...with all the distortion....

weaken Dems by dividing them against each other. Brilliant.

The last thing we can afford to do... is what we've just done: alienated a hard-core group.

Thanks Billary!

Go. Bama.

but the one thing that pissed me off was the MLK comments right on or around MLK day. If you can't say something completely positive (not just factual) just shut the f up, Hillary and Bill. They aren't too bright-and they played the Black voters as dumb.