I've heard DUers say it is time to get mean against other Democrats. When people say

hey, you shouldn't be mean to Dems people say we don't lock step...yadda yadda yadda.

I also see that people want to be angry and act as angry as the Rethugs cuz being nice has gotten us no where.

Well when Hillary Clinton campaigns tough against OBama I here that she's being ROVE like.

Back in the day people didn't like Daschel because he had no back bone. Now when you get a woman candidate who get's tough and has a back bone then I hear she's being cold and mean against nice sweet Mr. Cool Obama.

Which I find funny because if she was being soft you'd say that there is no way she could take the brunt of a GOP attack... but we'll talk about that later.

So which is it DU? You wanna get tough or you want it soft?

I'm confused. It seems that it is o.k. to call Pelosi names, Reid names because they aren't tough. So DEM on DEM violence is o.k as long as it is against Dems you don't like.

Did I get that right?

Your analogy is flawed.

Its ok to take dems to task on their positions its not ok to lie about their positions to garner a win. The idea is to take the fight to them with the facts on your side not to wildly make shit up.

The reason we give pelosi a bad time is because of her positions not because we just dont like her so we make any shit up we can think of to try and slime her.

a high school cheerleader does at the star football player, it irks me...a lot. And when she and Reid buckle under, it's tough to take. Yes we like tough leaders.

If you can't see that then ...(if I posted what I wanted to say here it would get deleted.)

BTW...how would you know what she is thinking. Your post is FUCKING SEXIST.
I'm going to post it to my blog.

I'm going to make sure people see how progressives really think.


You want her to look @ him like she's thinking FUCK YOU? She can't do that. If you're a grown up you'd know that.

I could be cursing your entire family in my mind but my eyes would never let you know.

You NEVAH EVAH let them see your fucking cards.


Grow up.

actually, at the last state of the union I thought she was looking at him like she was thinking FUCK YOU, and I have been happy to see her (and reid) reign it in a little...you know, playing thier cards close to thier vests as you suggest. :toast:

If Pelosi would stand her ground instead of giving in I wouldn't be talking about her obvious admiration of Bush**.

is sitting next to Bush** after dropping her demands on some bill.

(i.e. challenging another candidates policy positions, record etc.) and being rovian (i.e. mischaracterizing policy positions, record etc. using knowingly false information) **and since I am in the any dem will do camp I have no dog in this fight, so I'm not saying ANY candidate is more rovian than the next** That being said, I would like to see any candidate/supporter employing such bullshit tactics to knock it off and actually get tough! :rant:

It seems that people are a lot more flexible in their thinking when they've committed to a candidate. Flexible seems to mean that even hypocrisy is acceptible. Oh, well - there's an awful lot left to this primary - we'll see how it goes from here.

I don't dislike any of the presidential candidates.

I have not said anything against Hillary or Barack.

I just happen to like John better.

Pelosi and and Reid are another matter entirely.


If impeachment is off the table, they are not performing their obligations.

They should be replaced.

i never like it soft though. oh you're talking about campaigning-i want to know where you stand on my issues. not the the petty personal attacks and tagteams. i guess sc agreed.

I don't like "hard" and "mean"-

I don't care if it's from a man or a woman. Dem- Republic- or Indie.

I actually really approve of J.Edwards platform- but not his style- He is more aggressive, and less conciliatory- which is (in part) why Obama's my #1-. Obama isn't mean or hard- and he is attracting people from all demographics- I think 8+ years of mean- conniving- and hard have taken their toll on us all. We may have adopted some of the attitudes, but we don't want them-

Dem on Dem hate and bashing is not ok in my view. If we eat our own, and shoot our wounded, and think that is OK- then this isn't the party for me. That doesn't embody the ideals of the Democratic party-

At least that's my take.

peace~

We want her to be tough, but she hides behind her husband.

In the South Carolina debate she said "well he isn't here" ducking what Bill said about Barack

That isn't tough, it is cowardly


It's her attack dog, It's her responsibility

tough with the health insurance companies, she kissed their ass.

She never got tough with the corporations, she kissed their ass too.

She played the gender card, but it didn't work that well. She started race baiting and she got her ass kicked.

I'm not even an Obama supporter, but I'm very glad he won big and did very well across ethnic, age and gender demographics.