Edwards played me, and I'm offended.

He said he wouldn't quit after Super Tuesday. But I can accept that. What I can't accept is his quitting before the voting of the day is even over. So right now he's on TV basically stumping for Kerry. We got played.

Kucinich '04.

Well boo-hoo.

he used us. Kind of makes me sad when legitimate candidates like Dean, Gephardt, and Kucinich take a backseat to nasty bullshit politicking.

nt

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He never had a chance in California anyways, and it wouldn't be right to do this at 11pm eastern time.

We keep yammering on and on about how important our votes are, and a candidate disrespects the democratic process and can't even wait for the polls to close?

...I wonder who leaked it to the press then?

what it is with him. Who pressured him? Or, did he care so little about the voters. Being his constituent here in NC, I opt for the latter since he threw away my money and didn't give a damn that I voted for him and gave him big bucks when he ran for his Senate seat here.

He was an opportunist, IS an opportunist. He ain't dead yet, he's got support from the DNC/DLC to get top post in cabinet if not VP.

But, don't forget how he did this. Ending his race before all the votes were counted. Do we need this kind of person? Do we want more of this?

I don't! He suckered me once in NC....and suckered me when I wrote impassioned letters to him to do something about Bush's early appointments like Ted Olsen and John Asscroft and all the rest. He sent me a polite form letter not addressing my concerns.

Then I wrote, faxed him about IWR and the impending Invasion of Iraq. he wrote me saying he supported Bush with some garbage that was another form letter.

I never had any respect for him after that. But, I can understand that his charm won over folks hoping for a "fresh face." I'm not trashing DU'ers who are heartbroken over his candidacy. I understand, because I am Dean/Kucinich. But I KNOW Edwards as a NC'linian. And, while some here on DU from NC really like the guy, my record with him is NOT good...so I hope Edwards learns from this, although I know he's been groomed for a higher place in the "new Admin" if we can get Kerry in.

But, Edwards is not anyone I could trust. :-(

He's dropping out TOMORROW. Give the man a break....he's campaigned his butt off and some soon-to-be unemployed staffers leaked the news.

Seems these "staffers" today have little loyalty. Happened to Dean, too.

I was informed of the news at 4:30 PT by a staffer assigned to my area. (I was the volunteer coordinator.) However, he told me that the media was NOT supposed to know about this until tomorrow, and that, while I could certainly tell my friends and family, I shouldn't go announcing it online or anything like that.

Well, I get home from my sign waving, feelin' blue, turn on CNN and there it is. I couldn't believe it -- it was NOT supposed to be announced today.

Just because he didn't send you a personal letter.... :eyes:

pissed because they weren't personal, but I get personal replies from David Price and Brad Miller my House Reps. Edwards could have cared less.

But, I'm not trashing you for supporting him. And, I always read your posts...and sorry that I've offended you on this. Peace to you....:-)

I really have had a terrible experience with him. If yours was better then that's okay we just agree to differ?

I agree it would be nice if he could personally tend to everyone, but we are in a BIG state. His staff can only do so much.

No, I am just disappointed, because I am convinced that Edwards could beat bush, and that Kerry can not. And now we will have Erskine Bowles running for Senate, and he will lose as well.

Peace to you, too.

No candidate is going to come out and say they are going to drop out if they do not meet some arbitrary expectation. It shows a lack of confidence that can only be harmful to the campaign. Edwards is a smart guy, he can see that he has lost. Are exit polls the same as results? No, but they are close enough that he knows he has lost.

Yeah, like he's going to come out and tell everyone that he's a lame duck. That'll really turn out the support!!!

That's how the game is played. Get over it. Edwards did the right thing.

they could vote for Kucinich or Sharpton.

its a rule..

I think its actually in the constitution.

Dont sweat it... he was running for VP.. everyone knew that.

Kerry/Edwards 04

cant wait until next tues (texas primary)

Kucinich will get my vote in Florida.

And except for Wisconsin, the polls have been remarkably accurate this year:

President, TX Dem Primary
3/1/2004

Kerry 55%

Edwards 24%

Other/Undecided 21%

Data Collected
2/27/04 - 2/29/04

Geography
State of Texas

Sample Population
442 Certain Voters

Margin of Error
4.7%

Client
KPRC-TV Houston


KXAS-TV Dallas


WOAI-TV San Antonio

http://www.surveyusa.com/currentelectionpolls.html

I will vote Democratic in 2004 but I will HOLD MY NOSE while voting for John Kerry. I will do so under protest- a gun is basically being held to my head by the media and the lemming-like Kerry crowd.

The guy is simply Bush in a Democrat suit. He doesn't understand anything about what REAL people have to go through or the lives we lead. Just another scheming, money-grubbing, over-priveleged politican.

He doesn't understand anything about what REAL people have to go through or the lives we lead. Just another scheming, money-grubbing, over-privileged politician.

Oh, you have definitely been paying attention. Not.

Just because he doesn't talk about in the one way you insist on it being told you means you have to assume the worst? I think you have to get some of that Republican thought-poison out of your system.

I'm a little curious that you didn't see the scheming, backstabbing, money-grubbing, over-privileged politician bit in JE. Maybe because I'm a Northerner it was kind of glaring to me. I have problems believing he's ever seen the inside of a mill, let alone worked with his hands for a single eight hour stretch.

Maybe because you're a northerner you consider yourself superior to every form of life on the planet.

You know nothing about John Edwards, nor have you done any real investigation.

but: no, that's not it at all. Maybe because you're a Southerner you think a passive-aggressive attack is the right way to counter things you dislike but can't argue on its actual merits? (JE certainly did his share of that, btw.)

Please do point me to where I will be fully informed of JE's integrity, moral principle, unwillingness to pander, and deep understandings of the working man. Playing on resentments is a game anyone can get into.

how can a Northerner NOT feel superior?

I would suggest not lobbing softballs right down the center of the plate.

Right now I don't give a fat rat's butt where he's from. He's the best candidate and he can beat Bush. I like Edwards and have said from the beginning that a Graham/Edwards ticket would gut the South for the Democrats like nothing the GOP has seen since before 1968.

To tell the truth, I'm not sure that there has to be a Southerner on the ticket although Howard Dean does NOT belong on the ticket. This year, if people are going to vote for the Dem, they're going to vote for him where ever he's from. This year the ABB goes that deep.

I don't think he can beat Bush. But the figurative gun pointed at my head by the DNC and the media say he's the only viable choice so I guess I have to vote for him.

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nobody played anyone. Its being a bit realistic to think Edwards would continue when he's won no states here on Super Tuesday.

Are you offering to fund his campaign and help Edwards throw good money after bad?

should never fall in love with a politician as they will inevitably break your heart.

I never fell in love with Edwards. I simply preferred him GREATLY over Kerry. I DID fall in love with Gephardt though, and he NEVER broke my heart.

Gephardt is one that never broke my heart either.

Please, just let it go. I'm not happy about anything tonight, either.

ambulance chasing asshole?

Thanks, skidmarks!

Unlike SOME people. Sorry, it's so obvious I couldn't resist.

Do you remember when I called Clark an asshole after he dropped out? That post got deleted.

No offense or anything. I don't care what you say about Edwards. He's an asshole if there ever was one. I just think it's a funny coincidence.

and you are right it is funny! Funny how the sheep are lead by the media to follow a amublance chasing retread that did nothing to help those that had nothing but now says he is for!

It had a running list of the four canidates you've supported during the primary season. Why the change?

I feel soiled for having supported Edwards. Gephardt is still the nominee in my heart and Kucinich is my favorite besides him. My support of Dean was half-hearted and based on pragmatism and therefore not definitive. My support of Edwards is embarrassing.

are you not really that strong in your convictions. You've supported at one time or another Kucinich, Dean, Edwards and Gephardt. Not really into the committment thing are we?

Sigh. It's over now, anyway.

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Have you no shame?

when he can't win, he isn't going to stick around and bullshit America.

He did the dignified thing.

After the kind of BS myself and other Clarkies had to endure from some Edwards people before the results were in for Virginia and Tennessee, all I can say is :nopity:

I think Clark is a great man, and I felt your pain when he dropped out. I don't think it's cool for Clarkies to knock Edwards supporters tonight. Please have a heart.

Thanks.

Peace.

That is how the game is played. All this "we're going to fight to the bitter end" stuff you heard from Edwards and Dean was just nonsense.

Don't feel bad.

I'm a little bitter, because I wasn't prepared for the coronation just yet. But I'll adjust.

Edwards was pretty smart to say he'd stay in, before the votes were counted on Super Tuesday. Nobody really expected this kind of blowout. I fancy myself experienced at such things, and I'm still a little shell-shocked.

Please don't be angry at Edwards for promising to stick with it. When the writing's on the wall, you'd best read it, and try to keep your campaign out of debt. Edwards isn't on an ego trip. Neither were Clark, or Dean. They were pragmatic, and loyal. As is Edwards.

I hope I get over this awful feeling quickly, and I hope this party can be united. It's going to take some reaching-out on Kerry's behalf, and I hope he's willing to do it. I have a feeling, listening to the subtle clues in Edwards' speech tonight, and the shots of Kerry and Teresa watching the Edwards speech, that something is in the works... we'll see.

The early announcement was unfortunate, especially for those who lived where polls had not closed. But from what I understand he lost by bigger margins than expected and the decision was inevitable.

Is this your first election? It's politics to keep a positive front and message until the last minute.

was the same reason Dean said he'd stay in after Wisconsin. People don't want to support you if they think you're just going to drop out anyway.

I voted for Edwards in the MA primary but I'm not bitter about it.