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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:18 PM
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Dear Hillary:
I like you. You're smart, you're competent, and you're harder-nosed than even your husband. I am a firm believer in the primary season; if my candidate loses, I'll be cool with that, because that would mean that your candidate was better-suited for this year's election. I have no problem with offering you what I think is honest advice, because if you take it and beat Obama with it, then that means that Obama was not a good candidate after all. So, that said: please learn the appropriate lesson from what has happened so far.

Before Iowa, you went strong negative. Your campaign attacked Obama on college students, on kindergarten, on a number of embarrassing issues. You lost by a surprising margin. But you gave a beautifully conciliatory speech, and moved on, going positive.

Before NH, you seemed like an actual person. You showed emotion. You were forward-looking. You smiled genuinely. You talked positive. You won in an amazing surprise victory that nobody anticipated, and you went from on the ropes to frontrunner overnight.

Before SC, you went hypernegative. You sent the Billdozer out. The last couple of weeks have been embarrassingly bad--and you just got thumped.

So. What is the lesson from all this? I would say it's that negativity does not become you. Harshness turns people off. Bitterness makes you look petty. On the other hand, positivity leads to miracles.

Don't tell us why Obama sucks. Tell us why you're good. You know what's on people's minds? It's the economy, stupid. Tell us how you can bring us health care and how you can fix this recession. People trust you on the economy and health care. They trust you on domestic issues. They like you when you act likable.

Do that, and Super Tuesday will be a lock for you. Leave Obama's victory behind you; it's a relic of the negative phase of this campaign. Can the negativity and start a new, positive chapter. It's one that will end with you as the nominee.

If you don't, it will end exactly as South Carolina did.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:22 PM
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1. I agree, although New Hampshire is looking like the anomaly in terms of strategy
and I'm sorry that it is. i cannot stand Mark Penn. He wrote a stupid memo after the 2000 election saying that Gore "lost" because Gore ran as a liberal. Arrrrgghhh.

These folks have to realize it's not 1996 anymore.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:22 PM
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2. Which is too bad, because it was her one big victory.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:25 PM
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3. She started losing me when all I saw was Bill Clinton
He was my first presidential vote and I'm a big fan, but this is not the 1990's.

I think recently he questioned Obama's opposition to the war and said that he opposed it, but as I remember, Bill Clinton did actually support it, lukewarmly, but nevertheless.

But I want to see Hillary, she is the one running. When Bill comes out, nobody pays attention to Hillary.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:31 PM
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7. I think overall Bill has hurt her; exit polls in SC said so
I was never a big fan of her (If avatars were showing you'd see my Biden stuff), but I appreciated her running her own campaign and Bill being just a polite spouse supporter like most others. Then it seemed like when she was no longer inevitable Bill dived in and it's been ugly. I have some serious concerns about Bill in a non-governmental loose cannon role in the WH. And if she does get the Dem nod, he may push away some good VP and cabinet possibilities (e.g., Biden).
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:31 PM
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8. I still don't get what happened in NH. That one will puzzle me for quite some time.
NH couldn't have been that hard to exit poll correctly.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:06 PM
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13. The exit polling was pretty good, actually.
The phone polling was off, but the last polls were by necessity 2 days before polls closed.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:07 PM
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14. me too, until I saw this:

Why Lorna Switched from Clinton to Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8iJs&eurl=http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hqblog

in one of the threads someone posted the mailer she sent out, then the tear up moment and she said "I just don't want to see this country go backward". I thought it an odd statement since she is from the past, ie backwards (no offence) after hearing about the mailer I got it, Go backwards on choice for women. It was a very low tactic.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:32 PM
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16. Ack ! I watched that earlier and never even connected the two things.. wow. Thanks :-)
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:28 PM
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4. I'm a Hillary supporter but I agree
Negative campaigning really hurts her. I worry about her not being able to see that. I follow the Rasmussen Daily Poll and whenever she goes negative she loses votes. She gains when she is positive.

Hillary was way ahead to begin with and all she had to do was stay on message and work through her negatives. Negative campaigning turned everything into a race.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:30 PM
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5. I think you all are thinking just the way the media wants you to think.
Just like they told you to think.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:30 PM
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6. Hillary (& Bill) running a negative campaign only reminds people of why so many didnt like her...
....before she gained the nation's sympathy when Bill admitted his Monica issue.

A large percentage of the electorate already considers Hillary "shrill" or "spitefull" or any of several other not as nice phrases, and the dirty political game she and Bill are running drives people away.

The only problem with Hillary running a nice, decent campaign is that she and her campaign managers must have some internal polling that says she cant beat Obama without using negatives, so this repudiation of her dirty campaign tactics in the SC primary may be more damaging to her chances than we might think at this time.

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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:40 PM
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9. Dear Hillary....
Drop out of the race. Now. For the good of the country. 28 years of this bullshit is enough.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:42 PM
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11. its 20 years now 28 if she gets the two turns but 20 is too much
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Kucinich4America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:49 AM
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17. 28 years since 1980
You don't really believe Reagan was in charge, do you?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:41 PM
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10. I think the Clintons need to go all out negative now.
It's the only way to save her candidacy.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 10:58 PM
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12. Good analysis. Perceptive as always.
:thumbsup:
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 11:09 PM
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15. That ended tonight with the Jesse Jackson comment
Outrageous race-baiting.
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Crank_It_Up Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:58 AM
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18. She's doomed
Obama is so much better at all that, it's hard for me to believe she has a chance, and yes, I think the "billdozer" ended up hurting her, and will continue to hurt her throughout her campaign.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 02:53 AM
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19. She's hardly doomed.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:15 AM
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20. Kick! (Already rec'd silently earlier)
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:08 AM
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21. Kick
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