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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:15 AM
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Former Kucinich supporters; Who are you supporting now?
I've gone to Edwards, with Obama a close second. How about you?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:16 AM
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1. Edwards only. /nt
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:17 AM
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2. ditto
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:19 AM
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3. No bandwagon jumping, here....Edwards only.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:20 AM
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4. Anyone but Edwards
Edwards hurt the cause of single payer and the end of the Iraq war with his phony populism.

Edwards is not a good choice for either single payer or ending the war.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:27 AM
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5. Obama's elective health care is status quo and about as far from
Single Payer as you can get. No less an economist than Paul Krugman has said it's the wrong plan for America. It will end up not being able to support itself, because of its voluntary nature, so prices will go up, forcing more people out, until it collapses.

Re Iraq: I have never heard Obama use the words "No residual forces, no permanent bases, no redeployment in the region". If he has, I'd like the link please.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:34 AM
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8. As I understand it, Obama's health plan is the only one that is not universal?
What's up with that? It's not single-payer and it's not universal?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:49 AM
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15. Nobody proposed Single Payer except Kucinich. And Yes, it is NOT universal, because it is
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 12:51 AM by patrice
elective. He says cost cutting measures will reduce premiums making it, thus, affordable and, therefore, everyone will choose to buy it, but I think that is a very optimistic expectation.

People will take their chances, until they get really sick, then they'll either go on Medicare (IF it's till available) or buy Obama's insurance, at any rate, these late comers will drive prices up.

Real cost efficiencies come from Everyone being insured. This is done by: (from Edwards website) requiring businesses and other employers to either cover their employees or help finance their health insurance; creating new tax credits; expanding Medicaid and SCHIP; reforming insurance laws; taking innovative steps to contain health care costs; creating regional "Health Care Markets" to let every American share the bargaining power to purchase an affordable, high-quality health plan; increasing choices among insurance plans, and cut costs for businesses offering insurance. Once these steps have been taken, requiring all American residents to get insurance.

P.S. It is said that Hillary's and Edwards's health care plans are more alike than Obama's and either of theirs.


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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:51 AM
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16. That sounds so messed up. Did any of these candidates see SICKO, the movie? nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:55 AM
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17. I think we have to move in the direction of Single Payer stepwise.
But I have no idea whether the proposed plans may end up with features that make that impossible.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:56 AM
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18. :( Hopefully. We need single payer desperately in this country. nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:04 AM
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20. I am convinced you are right and I am active on these issues locally,
for the long haul.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:05 AM
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21. Thank you for the work you do. nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:09 AM
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24. Solidarity! Sarah Ibarruri nt
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:56 AM
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29. Solidarity! nt
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:37 AM
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11. At least Obama never claims to be that which he isn't
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:02 AM
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19. That's a matter of opinion. Look, I won't call your candidate a liar, if you don't call mine a liar
Ever hear of the golden rule? I recommend it highly in politics, because your behavior gives others the license to treat you the way that you act and the fact is no candidate is perfect.

The assumption that your opinion is valid isn't a valid assumption unless you recognize that it also applies to others, so if you think it doesn't apply to others, then, logically, it doesn't apply to you either.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:03 AM
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25. My Candidate is not Obama
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:30 AM
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6. Anyone but Hillary. n/t
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Wwagsthedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:31 AM
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7. Whoever wins the nomination.
I'm a straight party Dem voter now that my man is gone.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:35 AM
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9. Not sure yet.
I may make my decision on my way in the door Feb. 5th.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:35 AM
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10. Anyone but Obama.
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:43 AM
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12. Edwards.
I like his anti-corporatist platform.
I like his policy proposals to help the poor and middle class.
I really, really like (given the massive US budget deficit) that he has proposed a plan to pay for these policies.
I like the fact that he did apologize for his vote on the Iraq war.

*I'll be voting for Edwards in the primary-- I'll work for the Democratic nominee in general election whomever that might be.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:06 AM
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23. I especially like his Second Chance Schools and those $500. Work Bonds!! nt
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:48 AM
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13. John Edwards
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:49 AM
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14. None of the above
I will (probably) vote for the nominee, but I cannot in good conscience support any of the remaining candidates.
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efilon Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:06 AM
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22. John Edwards n/t
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:13 AM
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26. Who else is working for impeachment, ending the Iraq invasion, fixing the corporate welfare laws...
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 03:57 AM
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27. John Edwards -nt
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 04:03 AM
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28. I support the workers
Edwards, Clinton and Obama just as the rest of the propertied class is not going to emancipate us. It is the solidarity of the working classes that will accomplish that end.

For years you've witnessed it. REAL CHANGE requires direct action and not just ballot reform. The election process itself is owned and controlled by the propertied class. Control of the nation will not be ceded by the master mercey towards the working class.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:09 AM
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33. That's the truest post in this thread. Organizing around the Issues, e.g. Workers' Rights, IS the
single tactic that will set us free from this BS process.

The issue(s) MUST become the individual's single highest priority, over party, over $$$$, and even over "winning". But with that said, in regards to winning, I am hopeful that, under certain circumstances, you can steer toward a dialectic between "winning" and an issue that results in some progress on the issue, at minimum, if not actual "winning". And that WILL eventually allow us to make a viable issue of the process itself as long as we NEVER forget what our REAL priorities are, i.e. the Issues.

Solidarity, inthebrain!
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:47 PM
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36. Viva la Revolution......
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:58 AM
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30. Obama
I'd actually already gone towards Edwards despite Kucinich's continued and admirable candidacy. But as of now I'm on the Obama bandwagon.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:04 AM
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31. Gravel. With Edwards a possible nose-holder in the GE.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:08 AM
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32. Edwards only. The others have not earned my vote.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:13 AM
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34. Edwards
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:26 AM
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35. Edwards, but not with great passion.
I believe he is the only one left who might actually DO something for 'we the people'
At least I hope he will.

Either of the the other two I will vote for in the GE but not support.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:47 PM
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37. Edwards only.
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