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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:19 AM
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Taylor Marsh Implies She Won't Support Obama in November
She's gone completely off the reservation and should no longer be considered part of the progressive coalition. She is permanently on ignore for me, after this farce of a column:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/american-first-democrat-_b_83189.html
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:19 AM
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1. Is she crazy? She sounds a bit... crazy...
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 12:20 AM by Katzenkavalier
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:21 AM
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2. Anyone who wouldn't support the D is nuts
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:21 AM
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3. Obama is no progressive.
If you want such a progressive, you should be backing Edwards.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:25 AM
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9. Obama is a progressive.......even if you don't want to admit it!
Caroline Kennedy, Net Lamont, John Kerry, Barbara Lee, John Conyers, Samantha Powers, Linda Sanchez, and Dick Durbin have all endorsed a non-progressive? What planet do you reside on? :crazy:


And if this ain't no progressive speaking during a time when we needed a voice, I don't know what is!



Delivered on 26 October 2002 at an anti-war rally

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech






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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:26 AM
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10. I somewhat agree with that statement, but it's still no reason to not support him as the nominee
Will the Republican be more progressive than Obama? (or Clinton, Edwards etc..)

NO.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:36 AM
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24. This is a progressive record
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/sponsor/OBAMA.html

This is a progressive health care amendment to the illinois state constitution

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/summary/900SJR0048.html

This is a progressive poverty agenda.
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/

This is a progressive health care agenda, that doesn't mandate just like Edwards doesn't mandate until his entire program is implemented.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

And Obama is the one who proposed a FICA stimulus to help all working people, AND bonuses to help senior citizens and those on SSI.

He cares about working people and understands the realities. That's the kind of progress I need, no matter what you want to call it.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:51 AM
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30. Obama is more progressive than Hillary! Seems you are a pot calling the kettle black!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:22 AM
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4. Oh, so now if people are not racists they are crazy if they
do not support Obama. whew ee
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:25 AM
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8. That is a scary - you can't decide that Obama isn't progressive enough for you w/o being a racist
or nuts
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:27 AM
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11. Obama and company have...
mastered Rovian tactics.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:55 AM
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35. why would you think Obama is not progressive enough when he is more progressive than Hillary?
Is there some reason for this? I'm not saying it is racism. Maybe it is just following the Hillary Herd. There are a lot of explanations for pure fiction. Maybe you just made it up.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:40 AM
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37. I do not equate "small steps" as progressive as large steps - Obama's votes have to
be adjust for the errors in pushing the button he made in the Ill senate, or limited to his Federal Senate votes, to make him look "more progressive than Hillary - and those Senate votes were just not that important.

I simply see someone willing to bargain away large step change for GOP blessings as not my kind of progressive.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:27 AM
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If they won't support whomever get the dem nod
Then yeah, a little crazy.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:33 AM
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21. It's always something....
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:22 AM
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5. Her posts are incoherent. She's a terrible writer. And she's just nucking futz.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:34 AM
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22. Maybe it's your cognitive process...
made perfect sense to me....maybe you just have Obama on the brain...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 01:11 AM
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36. Could be...
:)
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:24 AM
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6. She sounds like an angry Feminist
Nothing wrong with feminism, but that sounds like her primary motivation in this election, which makes her less than credible.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:25 AM
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7. Who cares, she's irrelevant.
Let her rejoin the republicans.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:53 AM
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32. My thoughts exactly...n/t
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:27 AM
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12. She is the equivalent of Michelle Malkin
I do not know why she posts on Huffpo because from the comments she is clearly despised. Yes, she has got on the crazy train and taking a whirl.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:27 AM
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13. Color me surprised.
:wow:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:28 AM
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I'm shocked Sniffa
Shocked!

Taylor Marsh, who'd a thunk it.
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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:46 AM
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28. Me too
Really disappointing.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:28 AM
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14. I will support the Dem
whoever it is because the alternative is...a REPUBLICAN.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:28 AM
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15. She was a "Reagan Democrat"?
From the link...

"I also will not support anyone who casts aspersions on a woman running for president by implying she cannot win his supporters, or that she can't be trusted with secret intelligence, a right-wing talking point about Democrats that goes back to my Reagan Democrat days when the GOP let loose with the line that Democrats were "soft on national security," something they've been selling ever since."

If so, she is a fucking asshole and who needs trash like that effecting my party anyway. Fucking DLCers!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:29 AM
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16. Thank God, there is a sane Democrat left. I can sleep
better tonight after reading her complete article.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:29 AM
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17. Another crybaby
It seems that every candidate, mine included, has a share of crybaby supporters who will pick up their marbles and and sit at home on election day sucking their thumb if their candidate is not nominated.
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Nailzberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:30 AM
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18. I never heard of her until her Obama hit pieces started coming out.
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 12:30 AM by Nailzberg
She isn't a very good writer, that's for sure.

Perhaps she can contact Rush about vacation fill-in slots if Obama is nominated.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:32 AM
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19. Sounds like the facts/truth, if you ask me...
and I share her sentiment. Completely.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:32 AM
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20. I don't like her anymore
I've heard lots of Hillary haters say they won't vote for her in November. This is the first time I've seen a Hillary supporter make that threat. She's off my list of people worth listening to.

Without loyalty, there is no party. Without the party, the GOP controls everything forever.
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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:35 AM
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23. I agree
And with the next President likely to appoint Justice Stevens replacement, Marsh's statement is inexcusable.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:38 AM
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25. she a writer for "hillary is 44"
i`d rather image they are conferencing tomorrows talking points on how obama really did`t win...oh yes it was reported by a unnamed-actually i forgot the posters name,that marsh was a republican...who knows she must be upset that air america won`t hire her
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:54 AM
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34. Proof please.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:39 AM
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26. Who cares! n/t
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:40 AM
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27. Maybe she had a thing with Clinton???
She sounds like she "doth protest too much" very defensive of him. Does he need protecting Taylor????
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:47 AM
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29. hell, I won't support obama in november cause he will not be the
nominee.....sorry, but damn!

After tonight this is the last state the mediawhores will be able to mantipulate the people....
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:53 AM
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33. Last state?
He'll win at least every state Jesse Jackson did, and then some. Clever of Hillary to want Michigan delegates now, because had they had a party recognized primary, he would have handily won Michigan too.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:52 AM
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31. she is pointlees ...I'd luv to know how much $$ she gits from Clintons
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