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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:30 AM
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Obama Got Three To Five Times The Amount Of White Support That Jackson Got
When he ran in the 80s.

Jackson got between 5 and 10 percent of the white vote in South Carolina. Obama got 25 percent.


Just food for thought.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:42 AM
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1. It doesn't matter
The clintons will compare Obama to Jackson in order to see if the "black canditate" thing sticks. They will do whatever it takes to win the nomination.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:44 AM
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11. But Obama will defeat them anyway.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:49 PM
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14. I sure hope that is the case. :-) n/t
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:46 AM
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2. he's not the "establishment candidate" for sure!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:46 AM
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3. lots of people here want to ignore the fact that he way exceeded
expectations re the white vote in SC. Good luck pushing the "black" candidate meme. Anyone who tries it is just going to fuck themselves. And I couldn't be happier watching it.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:50 AM
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5. I don't ignore that at all.
I think Obama's showing with white SC voters was impressive under the circumstances, and not shabby in the least bit under ANY circumstances - even if he were a white candidate. I have said and continue to say that race would not stop Obama from being our next President - he has a broad appeal.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:48 AM
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4. And he got more white support than Kerry got against Bush
Kerry had only 22% of the white vote.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:53 AM
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7. that isn't an apples to apples comparison
I am sure Kerry did vastly better than 22% among white Democratic primary voters.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:43 AM
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10. No, he only got about 26%
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:56 AM
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12. sorry I wasn't very clear
I meant that in the general election Kerry surely did better than that 22% among those who had voted in the Democratic primary.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:51 AM
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6. Caucus results for Jackson are not primaries to compare to last night
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:05 AM
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9. No, primary results are always more significant to me.
Look, I think Bill Clinton was foolish to mention Jackson when and how he did last night. For one thing it was the LAST thing HE should have noted in the glow of Obama's victory in SC given the recent history of this campaign.

But I understand how Hillary's campaign might legitimtely make note of Jackson winning SC before. It should have waited until today not last night, and it should have been a generic campaign spokesperson, not Bill Clinton, making the lower key observation. It is valid to point out that SC has it's own unique voting characteristics because Hillary Clinton has to make the case for why her poor showing last night should not be used to predict the results on Feb 5th. Momentum is part of the political equation, it can't be ignored. SC has a documented history of being highly receptive to Black candidates in the past, Jackson happens to be that documentation. It is true that Jackson won other states also in the past but SC is the first state that has voted this year that Jackson won in the past, so this is the first time that can up.

If Hillary wins New Mexico, the fact that she has strong support from the Hispanic community which is disproportionately represented in the first state to elect an Hispanic Governor, will likely be noted by her opponents.

But I do understand that Jessie Jackson, even though he ran as the rainbow candidate, was perceived more to be a civil rights candidate making sure that Blacks got a seat at the table, so seeming to equate Obama with Jackson can be seen to be "playing a race card". Bill Clinton should have known that. The observation he was trying to make should have been made in a much more dry manner by someone other than him.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:45 PM
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13. I agree - but the only way to get MO in a proportional system is MSM PR - and getting the unique
characteristics of a 30% black state that has a 55% black Democratic party out and into the media would not have happened given the Media bias against Clinton and for Obama (as noted on Kurtz's Reliable Sources today).

But the Jackson winning percentage in a caucus doesn't give us a handle on even that caucuses individual voter vote split.

Boston media is now redoing the presentation of the SC win with less detail so as to assert a massive new MO for Obama - it has been interesting to watch (and listen to the radio) during the last few hours
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mathewsleep Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:54 AM
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8. iowa
iowa iowa iowa iowa. remember snow white iowa. obama won there. he's protected from the being labeled the racial candidate. he's come in a very close second everywhere else. so far hillary hasn't won more deligates in any state. she flat out lost iowa, third. in new hampshire, they tied in the delegate count. i navada obama won the delegate count, i don't know how but what ever, i'll take it. and of course he flat out pwned her yesterday in delegate count.
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