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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:01 AM
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Clinton uncollapsed? RasmussenTracking: Hillary up 4%, Obama down 2%.
Does this mean all those posts yesterday about the immediate collapse of Hillary's campaign as evidenced by the results of a single day's results from the Rasmussen tracking poll are no longer operative?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, has gotten much tighter. It’s now Hillary Clinton 40%, Barack Obama 31% and John Edwards 17% (see recent daily numbers).

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jonnywishbone97 Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:02 AM
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1. HRC is still the front runner
South Carolina was irrelevant.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:04 AM
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3. People in the big states don't care much what happened in SC.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:06 AM
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8. Do you have anything to back up that inane comment
I mean, the way it looks, "big states" are starting to come together with their endorsements of Obama.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:24 AM
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25. Did you pay any attention to the poll results?
Clinton UP 4
Obama DOWN 2

Or maybe you just have a tiny touch of cognitive dissonance.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:32 AM
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34. That poll was taken long before the results in SC were known
and I thought this poll didn't matter anymore, thats what you guys were saying yesterday.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:08 AM
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11. He's shown everyone that he can win.
And that is very important. People never want to "waste" their vote, want to be able to say they are on the winning side.

This win will open a lot of eyes; Iowa was not a fluke. And that delegate count also matters: Obama--63, Hillary Clinton--48, Edwards--26.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:49 AM
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42. Yes, But SC is history now--it is the big states that matter
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:15 AM
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15. I rather doubt the average person will be into what SC thinks as they vote.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:18 AM
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16. Do you have anything to back that up with or are you just talking out of your ass?
I mean, it would appear that the people of NH, NV and SC cared about Iowa, because before that, Obama didn't have a prayer in any state.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:22 AM
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23. Please stop the swearing in your responses.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:25 AM
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26. ObamINation must shout and swear.
That's the only way they think they can be heard.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:42 AM
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39. and I, and -NONE of us have to put up with it.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:31 AM
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33. So basically, you ARE just talking out of your ass
Good show, bring something to the table next time.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:41 AM
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38. I am tired of getting sweared at when I post responsed people do not like.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:54 AM
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44. Then back up your comments
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:03 PM
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45. I might respond when and IF you stop swearing at my responses.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:04 AM
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5. Keep hoping and wishing jonny
a 30 point smack down is never " irrelevant"
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:05 AM
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6. Until it is
we'll all have to wait an see if it was relevant. won't we?
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jonnywishbone97 Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:06 AM
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7. watch what happens on Tuesday
and it will be relevant when our delegates will be seated .. Obama is going to lose HUGE in Florida
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:07 AM
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10. Nobody is going to seat your delegates
Hillary can piss and moan for the next 4 days, but the fact remains, your state party broke the rules, had plenty of warning, and are now impotent in this race. Sorry bout your luck.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:18 AM
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17. They will be seated - as well as Michigan's
Get over it.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:21 AM
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20. Based on what, your wishful thinking?
There is no way the DNC goes back on it word and appears like it has no teeth. That would be a disaster for 2012.

Not to mention the DNC isn't going to sit delegates from a state where only one of the viable candidates was on the ballot.

It's just not going to happen. Keep dreaming though.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:30 AM
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30. Based on what I'm hearing...
Oh, the audacity of me to dream! Only a Kool Aid drinker could ever do that!

You'll be so pissed when they are seated.

you might want to prepare yourself for the let down.

Thanks for bringing the party together with your venom. I hear that works everytime.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:30 AM
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31. How Dare You Have The Audacity To Hope
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:34 AM
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35. I know, and I don't even drink the Kool-Aid
Some here don't get it and they are doing more to drive people away from their candidate than anything.

Which makes me think there may be paid operatives on this site.

Some were posting all night long and didn't even sleep.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:39 AM
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36. Better to bring the party together with venom, then to tear it apart with cheating
I don't know what you're hearing, but there is no way the DNC allows their teeth to be knocked out by allowing Florida and Michigan to sit. That would be a complete and utter disaster in 2012. Also the DNC is not going to sit delegates where only one viable candidate was on the ballot. Why do you hate democracy?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:41 AM
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37. Why Do You Want To Disenfranchise The People Of Florida And Michigan?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:46 AM
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40. Ask the DNC and their state democratic parties, not me.
But I do know this, sitting delegates where in one case, Hillary was the only candidate on the ballot, and in the other case, no campaigning has been allowed, is just about the most undemocratic thing I can think of.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:22 AM
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21. Failure is impossible.. Dangerous to count your chicks at a this point.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:26 AM
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27. Based on what? Your wishful thinking?
nt
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:29 AM
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28. Whether They Are Actually Seated Is Irrelevant Right Now
What I will be looking for is if the media will report the big,big loss Obama will get in one of the very largest and ethnically most diverse states in the Union...
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:21 AM
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19. State by State Polling Tends to Support Your Claim, JWB!
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Data/Polls.html
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:03 AM
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2. I'll be much more interested in tomorrow's numbers where her ass kicking will be taken into account
for a 1/4 of the vote.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:04 AM
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4. I hear the ghost of Ron Zeigler in that "no longer operative" phrase! nt
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:06 AM
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9. isn't it ironic? Clintons & supporters can hope but no one else can
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:11 AM
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13. My point was not about hope but by the misuse of polling results. As far as I'm concerned, you
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 11:11 AM by Karmadillo
can hope all you want.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:20 AM
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18. Kerry used "keep hope alive" at a 2004 rally I attended. Maybe it will stick 4 years later.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:09 AM
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12. i think you need to wait a day or two
to pronounce anything. How much of the polling was done after his win in SC? Let's see what the big press coverage will do, and whether FL shakes things up and provides MO for Hillary. Will state polls reflect anything differrent in the next couple of days?
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:13 AM
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14. I'm not pronouncing anything, especially anything based on a tracking poll that leaps up
and down on a fairly regular basis. My point was that all those posts informing us of the collapse of Hillary's campaign based on a single day's tracking results were a little silly.
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RDANGELO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:22 AM
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22. Read this from the article.
Daily tracking results are collected via nightly telephone surveys and reported on a four-day rolling average basis. All of the interviews for today’s update were completed before the polls closed in South Carolina yesterday. The next Presidential Tracking Poll update is scheduled for Monday at 11:00 a.m.

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:23 AM
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24. Fellow war protesters write me now: "F*it, I'm voting Hillary! Got several random
Edited on Sun Jan-27-08 11:29 AM by robbedvoter
calls and e-mails this morning - they saw Russert lecturing Bill on TV and they pledged their support for Hillary. I am talking people who were with me & Code Pink, protesting Hillary's office. Voting for her now.

ANNOY THE MEDIA. VOTE HILLARY!
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:31 AM
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32. The media never learns that blatantly attacking the Clintons backfires.
It's infuriating to witness, but will probably be extremely helpful to her campaign.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:51 AM
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43. chuckle and welcome.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:29 AM
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29. well of course this was taken before SC result was known.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 11:47 AM
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41. This doesn't reflect the SC results yet
The huge win occurred after most of that polling. I think that most people thought Obama would have a narrow win - nothing like what happened. Every pundit was speaking of how the Clintons marginalized Obama as the black candidate. The pundits have now changed on a dime. The most startling thing this morning is seeing the McClacklin report, filmed on Thursday versus the other shows filmed today. In fact, this high polling day will likely make HRC high for the next 3 days because it is a 4 day average.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:07 PM
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46. I think your post does not take account of when the poll was conducted and therefore cannot
accuratly reflect what effect SC has on the over all process. It state in the poll that:

Daily tracking results are collected via nightly telephone surveys and reported on a four-day rolling average basis. All of the interviews for today’s update were completed before the polls closed in South Carolina yesterday. The next Presidential Tracking Poll update is scheduled for Monday at 11:00 a.m.

That seems to tell me that we are going to have to wait a couple of days before we get a good idea of what it all means.

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