A Hillary Poll: Would you vote for her in the General Election

I keep seeing posts that say that Blacks, Men & Young democrats won't vote for Hillary in a General Election if she were to win the nomination. I'm curious to see how that plays out here on DU... how many of us will or won't vote for her if she wins. Please vote.

Also adding - I'm pushing for Obama myself in the Primaries, but i would probably vote for her in the G.E. if she were to win.

a Democrat filling those posts and not John McCain or Mitt Romney.

SCOTUS SCOTUS SCOTUS. That will be my mantra if she is the nominee.

Mz Pip
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John Roberts appears to be a sane man. He appears to dress himself and feed himself and is very bright and scholarly but in his blood and bones he is essentially an Inquisitorial, authoritarian type.

Clarence Thomas, one of Poppy's appointments, is just not my idea of a Supreme Court Jusitce.

And we need a persuasive counter-balance to Scalia.

I cannot believe anyone would be so selfish as to put their tantrum before the well-being of the entire nation. You would actually put your tantrum before the need to keep Repugnicans out of the White House. What's wrong with you people? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? You should be doing the right thing for those who suffer the most, rather than putting your tantrums first. Whoever is the nominee needs your vote. Throw your tantrums down the toilet, and stop being so selfish.

I made a pledge not to vote for any candidate who helped get us into the Iraq war.

That war is not contributing to the well-being of the entire nation. It's contributing to its downfall, as well as the downfall of the entire world. It's the simmering frog syndrome - we can plunge ourselves into boiling water with republicans, or we can simmer ourselves to death with the DLC, but in the end both are taking us to the exact same place.

I know I keep harping on this point when Clinton is brought up, but the last Clinton presidency resulted in a half million dead children, and she claims that as part of her resume and experience without showing any remorse over that. Genocidal maniac #1, kinder gentler genocidal maniac #2, I don't see myself being willing to open either of those doors.

If you can stomach it, go for it. More dead children, more people kicked off welfare, more black men locked up in prison, that all is part of the Clinton legacy.

We're all trying to do what is morally right - and we come to different conclusions not because some of us are "throwing tantrums" but because we are focusing our cameras in different ways.

..." we can plunge ourselves into boiling water with republicans, or we can simmer ourselves to death with the DLC, but in the end both are taking us to the exact same place" is based on erroneous thinking.

Nobody is more with you than I am. The history of this country is rather ugly. This country's various governments have done plenty of ugly things... from the systematic destruction of First Nation peoples, to the countless regime changes. Here's a blurb about an excellent book on that topic:

Author Stephen Kinzer discusses his new book, “Overthrow: America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq.”
In it, he writes that the invasion of Iraq “was the culmination of a 110-year period during which Americans
overthrew fourteen governments that displeased them for various ideological, political, and economic reasons.”

We're on the same page on that.

We're probably also on the same page that money is being poured from our hard-work into the pockets of rich corporation owners who supply the Iraq war with whatever is needed, from armament, to food, to whatever is used to build the monster bunker U.S. embassy there, to whatever is needed to facilitate worldwide oil companies to steal Iraqi oil

Are we on the same page or not? I think we are.

Where we are NOT AT ALL on the same page is where you veer and believe that throwing out the baby with the bathwater is the ideal way to deal with the sickness in our government. You're quite willing to give this government to the Repukes as many times as it takes because you believe (in some science fiction fantasy you have) that by destroying this country through keeping Repugnicans in power, somehow, some way, some day there will be a regime change here, and it will consist of a revolution.

YOU ARE WRONG.

Further, you are willing to hurt the elderly who are suffering greatly right now. You don't care about them one bit. You don't give a damn how much the working poor suffer with another 8 years of vile sh*thead Republicans. It doesn't bother you one iota because YOU are willing to put up with it and by golly, the suffering should also endure it.

I suggest you take a deep breath, open your eyes and realize that you are not the only one that wants millions of things to change in this country. Millions of us do. However, but unlike you, most of us who want that kind of radical change are not willing to sell our helpless down an unknown and really fucked up make-believe path of guaranteeing Republicans in the White House to truly finish destroying this country and its people in exchange for some made-up, imaginary change that will happen in the magical future.

"The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda," http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_DLC_agenda_undistinguishable_from_Neocon_0813.html

This is why the DLC is dangerous. For all their claims of supposedly wanting to help Democrats, they employ people like Marshall Wittman who specifically try to undermine the Democratic Party, even if it means he has to publicly defecate out the most rank and easily-debunkable lies. They reguarly give credence to the right wing's agenda and its worst, most unsupportable lies. They are the real force that tries to make sure this country is a one party state and that Democrats never really challenge the Republicans in a serious way. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/why-the-dlc-is-so-dangero_b_13640.html

Let's just look at the cold, hard facts about the DLC and its record. The DLC has pushed, among other things, the war in Iraq and "free" trade policies, using bags of corporate money to buy enough Democratic votes to help Republicans make those policies a reality. They have chastised anyone who has opposed those policies as either unpatriotic or anti-business -- even as a majority of Americans now oppose the war in Iraq, oppose the DLC's business-written trade deals, and are sick of watching America's economy sold out to the highest corporate bidder. Additionally, in brazenly Orwellian fashion, the DLC has also called its extremist agenda "centrist," even though polls show the American public opposes most of their agenda, and supports much of the progressive agenda. http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0727-32.htm

These DLC types are amazing, they really are. Their pathology is unique; they all secretly worship the guilt-by-association tactics of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove, but unlike those two, not one of them has enough balls to take being thought of as the bad guy by the general public. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11275627/the_low_post_democrats_walk_themselves_to_the_gallows

And you find me naive? And I'm sure you probably think Edwards is part of the DLC.

Look. I'm probably far more liberal than you. However, I am a volunteer helping the elderly, and experienced first hand how the elderly were hurt by Nader's little f*cked up trick of helping the Repukes gain the White House for 8 years. I'm NOT willing to do that again. I'm NOT willing to throw out the Democratic Party because there are a few really rotten apples in it. I'm NOT going to once again give the Repukes 8 more years to hurt the elderly.

I AM willing to work to bring the Democratic Party back to where it used to be, and unless you and the others who are upset are blind, you have noticed that in Democratic Underground and even out there, the OLD GUARD is no longer ruling and has little say.

However, if things aren't going fast enough for you, then work harder.

NO, I will not hurt the elderly just to make happy the few people who have that sci-fi idea that the way to bring *REAL* change about is to help Repugnicans have the White House 8 more f*cking years.

Oh and by the way, this very naive woman here (me) wants NAFTA revised radically, or done away entirely.

that the "OLD GUARD" has quite a bit of say.

As for you being "probably far more liberal" than me...
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I could do that too, but it really wouldn't get us anywhere. It's easy to sit back and say you don't care about Iraqi children one bit. You don't give a damn about people losing welfare benefits. You don't give a damn about the poisons we're dropping on the middle east.

Okay, now we've both insulted each other, made false accusations, and oversimplified things to an absurd state.

Now what?

This reminds me of a quote about rape in this country. It's not prohibited, it's regulated. That's how I feel about the policies of global destruction and imperialism. The DLC has the same policies, they just regulate the destruction a bit more.

i'm done voting for a democrat just for the sake of voting for a democrat, and i'll be goddamned before i support a corporatist and centrist like clinton, nor will i foot the blame for a republican victory. the people who continue to enable the status-quo should take a look in the mirror before pointing fingers at those who have grown sick and fucking tired of milquetoast dinos who would prefer to cater to the mythical middle rather than their progressive base.

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Voting for CLinton isn't the "right thing" if you don't think she will do the right thing in office.

I do not trust her to work toward any progressive goals.

She will set the bar further to the right than her husband did, which will allow the GOP to continue to shift to the right in future elections and will continue to make real progressives look radical by comparrison.

I would much rather work for an elect a REAL independent and force the democratic party to reach for their progressive roots to offer an alternative.

Our SC is ready to take away a woman's right to choose, and there's no doubt that gay rights, affirmative action, worker's rights, and other protections would be adversely affected if a Republican President got to appoint another SC Justice. I wonder how many of the so-called liberals who would not vote for Hillary are not part of a minority group? (That said, Hillary is my last choice after the crap she pulled in SC.)

I'm not putting a Repuke in the WH. I'd definitely vote for her. How much I'd actually work for her is still up in the air.

but I suppose half a loaf is better than none. We'll see how much I do if she is the nominee.

How nobly condescending of you.

Since when is being honest about how you would vote considered Condescending? I'm an Obama fan, have been for a year now - and I'm not a fan of the Clintons, or the way that they are running their campaign.

However, I have a feeling that come November I will probably prefer her to any Republican running, so I will PROBABLY vote for her.

I think you're the condescending one.. if I don't choose to line up behind Hillary (as 40% of this board is also choosing to do based on the poll) then i'm being condescending? If this poll was about someone besides your candidate, are you be "Definite" about them 10 months out?

I'm voting Richardson in our Primary, and for who ever gets our nomination in November.
I'm a Democrat, and we real Democrats want a Democrat in the Whitehouse.

1. My vote doesn't count anyway- nothing is being done about election fraud. We're the world's premier fake democracy, though Putin is working hard to catch up.

2. It will amuse me to no end watching as the titanic continues to sink, as the rich continue to get richer by abusing the legislative system of this country. People crying "I'm homeless and starving!" will amuse me even more, as it wasn't important to those people until it happened to them.

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I'm in Nebraska - this state votes Red no matter what (maybe it's a husker thing).. and all delegates go to the winner, which is always republican.

So actually, a vote for Hillary would really just be a vote for air in this state anyway. Sadly, if my guy Obama were to win the nomination - the same can be said about a vote for him.

I also live in one of the few states still giving GWB a more than 50% approval rating. *Damn religious nutcases...*

whomever that may be.

...and no desire to witness the vicious campaign the Repubs will surely run against her, but I will vote for her in the general election.

Is what an unmitigated fucking disaster that years 29-32 of the Bush-Clinton dynasty would be. It's time to end this shit now. Let's get a decent nominee and not have to worry about the question of which Republican is worse.

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Same for Obama. And, Edwards gets a wary "maybe".

and a Dem is more likely to get us there than a GOP candidate.

And in 1998, I was 15 years old.

I will vote for Hillary or Obama in the likely event that Edwards does not win the Democratic nomination. But I am afraid not enough other people will.

We need the Presidency..
And if she gets the nod we are going to need all the votes we can get to beat Mccain
That is I hope she can beat him..I have my doubts.

Over any Republican. There would be much gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands but it would have to be done. I do not want her and do not like her but there would be no real choice.

I see this as a serious problem to getting her elected in November if she wins the nomination. If only 65% of dems vote for her, maybe 25% of Independents, and say 5% of Republicans do... how in the world does she win a General Election??

And frankly, I think more people on this board are going to vote for her then the General Public of Dems.. who don't think about the long term - they think.. "I don't like her, so i'm staying home tonight and not voting".

But, I also have not seen an Obama poll, so I don't know if he fares much better. I'm sure Edwards would, but unfortunately it doesn't look (right now) like he's got all that great of a shot. It could change.. but for now it looks like a long shot.

How do we win the General Election?

And since the mods can read polls they can know who to watch out for when the libel starts.

Banning someone for not going along with a heard mentality is precisely why we ARE democrats - we allow people to think freely - even if it's not an idea or thought you're agreeable with.

If the mods start banning people who have decided that they won't vote for Clinton - then this site will quickly shrink into oblivion. You can go to Hillaryclinton.com if you want no debate and a bunch of cheerleading.

And with all that said, i'll probably still vote for her, begrudgingly - but I won't hold it against anyone who doesn't.

like Ron Paul or Bloomberg. Not saying I would vote for them but I'd give them a look.

I'd vote for her in the GE.

Of course I will vote for her....I will vote for Obama....I will vote for Edwards.

I see the results and am not surprised given the dialog on this site.
I don't necessarily like Hillary....but will vote for her

Sorry - I wasn't "yelling" at ya.. but I asked the question because I was seeing thread after thread say either "Hillary can beat anyone.. no worries.. just vote for her".. followed by "Hillary can't beat anyone.. even 1/2 of dems won't vote for her".. so I thought a totally biased, unscientific poll would really clear things up. Obviously it has. ;)

I'm neither black, male, nor young, but that's been an incontrovertible fact all along.

If Hillary is the candidate, suck it up and vote for her.

I hope Edwards is the nominee, but if he isn't, I'll vote for Clinton or Obama.

I prefer Edwards, but if Clinton or Obama is chosen, that candidate will get my vote.

do her best to wipe them from the face of the earth.

Really. I think she's totally pissed off and she's going to go for the jugular.

It's just that, like, her platform is so pojama people mediocre.

But that could be part of the plan.

From an Red Headed, Blue eyed Irish Girl who loves Obama.. i don't know if i've ever seen anything prettier on these boards then that! How do I steal it?? :)