Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

John Kerry: “Bottom line: Florida has no delegates.”

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread		 This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:03 PM
Original message
John Kerry: “Bottom line: Florida has no delegates.”
–Obama camp counters in conference call of its own. Opens with supporter John Kerry telling the media not to take the Clinton camp’s bait and cover Florida for the Dems, saying “Bottom line: Florida has no delegates.”

http://thepage.time.com/2008/01/29/democrat-on-democrat-action-9/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:04 PM
Response to Original message
1. We'll see about that. This may end up being a flip flop for Kerry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Flip flop?
Hannity? That you?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #4
18. Note that I didn't imply he's done it before... he would just be living up the the meme.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. Care to tell me under what senario Florida gets seated in a contested convention?
nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. Only after our nominee has been selected will they be seated.
Mark it down.

:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #1
20. There will be no delegates awarded based on a flawed Primary
Don't let Hillary fill you with 'false hope' on this one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. I am not going by what Hillary says. There will be delegates seated from FL
How it is determined etc, I do not know - but they will be seated. Bookmark it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #26
34. they will not be a determining factor in the nomination if it is close
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 02:26 PM by JackORoses
If there is already a Nominee by the Convention, they will seat the delegates.

But neither MI nor FL will play a role in deciding the Nominee.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. I don't agree. If it is close, the party will look to FL & MI to help determine the nominee.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #36
43. The results of MI and FL are damaged beyond repair.
Everybody knew before hand that these elections had no delegates.
There was no campaigning by the candidates.
In MI, most of the candidates were not even on the ballot.
This affected voter turnout and the final results in indisputable ways.

Our nominee will not be chosen based on these invalid Primaries.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
30. No, he's consistent on this one: Screw the voters! I am more important!

DUDE. WHERE'S MY 2004 VOTE?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. I can't hear John Kerry's name without being reminded of how he caved at the end and did not
contest the vote count. He really took the wind of of my sails. I can hardly stand thinking about it/him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:05 PM
Response to Original message
2. hey john
Shame you couldn't be as active on your own behalf, when your country needed you, as you are on Obama's. What an a$$.

<>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. He was. You were asleep.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:07 PM
Original message
yeah, induced by kerry's oratorical skills
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:06 PM
Response to Original message
3. Florida has voters, but they don't matter to Kerry or Bush apparently
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. FL has voters, but not delegates at the Denver Convention...
and, it's the Florida Democratic Party's own damned fault.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #3
15. Yup, Florida has people.
That was my first thought also. Kerry should think things through before he talks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:06 PM
Response to Original message
5. Kinda like in his run for the White House. nt.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #5
27. That is what popped into my head.
Kerry has run so many successful
presidential campaigns, so he definitely
knows what he is talking about. :sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
7. My respect for Kerry keeps going downhill....
Florida does have voters in the GE, that is the most important thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #7
31. If he only had half the fight in him that Hillary has he might be running for a second
term.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
8. No kidding...
Is that what Hillary is doing?

:rofl:

Ok, I was a little wrangled, thinking that she might try to force those delegates
to be seated, when there wasn't a legitimate campaign or election in Florida.

So, what's she's doing after all, is orchestrating a PR stunt--in which she will stand
tall as the "winner of Florida"....claiming a victory???

Is this really what this is all about??????

OMFG....talk about desperation. I mean, this is probably the most
pitiful thing I've seen any candidate do, in the last ten years.

"Look at me everyboddeee! Florida loves me!!"

:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:07 PM
Response to Original message
10. I have most posters on this page on ignore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #10
21. How do you know they're here then? /nt
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:11 PM
Original message
Uh?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:29 PM
Response to Original message
37. If they're on ignore, how do you know they're posting on this pg?
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. Because it shows "Ignored" where they post.\nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. OK /nt
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #10
33. It's a good thing n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
12. Did Kerry just open mouth and insert foot? Again?
I don't want the delegates to be seated either, but the political reality is that all of the top 3 candidates will do just that come election time. But this is a rather caustic brush-off that is going to be interpreted as "Florida voters don't matter". It isn't what he meant of course, but this is Kerry's Achilles' Heel; saying the wrong thing at the wrong time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
13. Bottom Line: The people of Florida will speak, whether or not
The DNC chooses to ignore them and then come back begging in November.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:08 PM
Response to Original message
14. Mr. "count every vote" Kerry.
What a hypocrite.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:09 PM
Response to Original message
16. He didn't fight fore the voters in 04 and dismisses them now. Not a good move in my book.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:10 PM
Response to Original message
19. Thanks for weighing in, John
The Credentials committee at the convention (and the delegates who get to vote on their recommendation) will decide.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:11 PM
Response to Original message
22. I don't think it's up to Kerry to decide what the media should cover. There may be no delegates but
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 02:13 PM by MetricSystem
this time all three major candidates are actually on the ballot so I think there is a significance to the vote. Kerry is playing politics here because the Obama camp expects a big loss tonight. It's easy to forget, but Kerry is now in partisan mode and most of what he says will be towing the official Obama camp message.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #22
40. They seem to feel in contol of the MSM - arrogance allways folows this. With Kerry
however, arrogance is always there - even when he's trampled by everyone.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:11 PM
Response to Original message
23. John Kerry: "Not crying in my cup for stolen elections" At least ge is consistent
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 02:11 PM by robbedvoter
Screw the voters, Me! ME! ME!
My loathing of this man has no limits!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:12 PM
Response to Original message
24. What a politically asinine statement
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 02:13 PM by Harvey Korman
Bottom line: There are VOTERS, and they care regardless of DNC party mechanics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:12 PM
Response to Original message
25. No delegates? But many, many pissed off Democrats who will vote Republican in November....?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:13 PM
Response to Original message
28. Here is a better account., though I doubt people here care.
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=01&year=2008&base_name=john_kerry_on_obama_today
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:13 PM
Response to Original message
29. Enough of his mouth!
I get so damn mad about this shit here in Florida.........I been saying all along..what if we Florida voters just Sat the General Election out this year...........Many of us are sick of getting the shit end of the stick...sure we know we won't get the delegates..............but Obama & Kerry don't have to rub our noses in it.....Kerry can kiss our asses...........
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:14 PM
Response to Original message
32. Amusing Clinton supporters' spin. Rules are not for us.
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 02:16 PM by Mass
We had already 7 years of that with Bush. Do we want 8 years with Clinton?

After having told us that black voters do not count, they continue with another spin of them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. "After having told us that black voters do not count, they continue with another spin of them."
"There you go again!", as Ronald Reagan would say.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
publicatlarge Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 02:37 PM
Response to Original message
42. This swarm of 'status quo' Washington insiders
..is ruining Obama's campaign. Obama has not shown good judgement.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 04:10 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC