MSNBC dismissive of Hillary Win.

The whole night I've been listening everyone on MSNBC - from Keith, Matthews, and all others, have been pretty dismissive of Hillary and her attempt to claim a Florida "victory". Every time it comes up they always are clear to point out the agreement signed by the candidates, and that Florida gives no delegates.

The exit polls are VERY interesting though. I haven't been playing super close attention (it's mostly all about Republican's tonight :puke:), but I haven't even seen the percentages coming out of Florida for everyone.

I am curious to how other stations are reporting the "victory" and if there are any links to more in-depth exit poll numbers. There is a very real feeling that Florida could have flipped Obama (based on some comments made by Russert) had they actually been allowed to campaign there.

What are the headlines coming out of Florida? What is the buzz, if any at all?

But you'll need them to keep propping up your candidate, so good going there.

in cheap, ugly Republican Red. NBC Universal won't pay enough to
hire good graphics designers.

She was overshadowed by hideous, vulger Republican Red graphics.
As in Cheap Cheap.

and her supporters looked pretty happy

MSNBC is the new Fox (without the viewers!)

supporters have class. Thank you. :hug:

he had to apologize on air. Now the Boys Club & Mika are finally able to show their true colors in fake support of Tweety. Sad thing is he buys it! They all, including Keith, have been in the fog of hope since Obama began speaking in cadence like a preacher who will unite the US of A!

nothing yet...I am going back and forth between CNN/MSNBC....MSNBC will do everything they can to minimize her win.

and they are totally qualifying the fact that this election doesn't count everytime they say something about it.

CNN is more of a Clinton Network News type of channel. So they will spin more positively for Hillary, I imagined.

which is why I'm watching it.

in the national if he's there. They've crapped on every democratic
candidate since 2000.

you would not be calling it a sham. Neither CNN nor MSNBC are in Hillary's camp so that should make you very happy.

you will see that they are not spinning for Hillary.

Or is that a recently acquired habit?

I've hopped off that wagon.

Guess you missed a few dozen or so

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/hillary_wins_florida_primary.php

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aaUCq0QER9bM&refer=home

http://news.smh.com.au/hillary-clinton-wins-florida-primary/20080130-1ox1.html

http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7793329&nav=menu554_2_10

http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7793329&nav=menu554_2_10

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23131730-5005961,00.html

but it would have been a lot closer.

Billary, Cliton, Hitlery, etc,... and call her supporters Hilbots, Clintonites, and worse, yeah, I see your point.

LOL, those names are kinda funny though

bilary, etc. Yes, I think Obama supporters should grow up.

It don't count.....nice grammar...

The point is to try and understand how the media spins the "victory" - if they spin it positively, don't point out the fact that it was worth squat, then Hillary might get a bump. If they call it what it is - as MSNBC is doing - a fraud, a "phony election" (a term that was used), an "outlawed election" (another term that was used), among other things... then it might backfire on her.

I want to know what headlines Hillary captures, and if they are positive, negative, and how it effects things going forward.

A bit of good news for Obama supporters, like myself, aside from the MSNBC coverage, is that Hillary has captured a smaller percentage of the vote than Obama captured in SC. They are considerably short - this despite the fact that 69% of them voted BEFORE the Iowa Caucus.

Overall, I think the above number and spin on the victory could backfire against the Clinton Campaign.

except for a portion of it, whatever that means...so she loses me

in Florida. Sick.

and BOTH Obama and Clinton lied or "fuzzed" what they were going to do! What was done here isn't UNUSUAL, why is anyone having a problem with this??

No campaigning, no that wasn't going to happen! Yeah, right!!! It was ALL a BIG LIE from where I'm sitting. But I've seen so much of it, it's like water running off my back!

JMHO!!

They went to Florida for fund raising and that's permitted.

which wasn't in the spirit of the rules and likely broke the rules. Of course, nobody is saying anything about THAT!

Hillary stayed within the rules and appeared for a rally AFTER the polls closed. She only went to Florida to raise money which was permissible.

rules, I think Clinton played it very tight whether it was allowed or not. Doesn't make me feel good no matter what. Sort of splitting hairs to me, but if stated as you said, sounds as close to spinning without actually getting burned.

This is stuff that irritates me, and I feel is "politics" of the same stripe. JMO!

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/CAPITOLNEWS/80129008&GID=uJ2cl5DrA2J5TjTw+CtbZA/f/xjcBqQYePjrqdjIUCk%3D

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Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., scheduled an appearance in Broward County tonight -- after the polls close, so she won't be violating the campaign boycott -- to thank Democratic voters. State polls have shown her leading by large margins over Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and ex-Sen. John Edwards of North Caroli(n)a.

what the hell is she celebrating? :shrug:

Just a guess...

Oh yeah, zero.

Those of us who believe the VOTERS should have more power than the party don't agree.

If the Democrats in the Florida legislature would have voted against the bill moving the primary - If the leaders in the Florida Democratic Party had not pushed for the early primary date - If the Democrats from Florida in the US Congress would not have been so gleeful about the new primary date the DNC may have been more tolerant of what happened and NOT stripped Florida of the delegates. Florida Democrats had MANY options to keep their delegates - they chose to ignore any other option but to hold the early primary. To NOT follow the rules established by the party and voted on by the party members.

Unless she gets the DNC to change their rules.

C'mon, that's the real game here. None of the candidates has even broken 100 delegates yet. She had to make a strong showing after the all-Obama media lovefest this week, and she did.

and her win may not mean anything to you but it gives her more political capital on Super Tuesday.

I think it just occurred to them, that the republicans are worried about Obama now, so they have begun to tear him down. They started last night, with the Hillary snub, then tonight, on the nightly news, they did a whole segment about his house deal, and it does look like a bogus deal.

I think they will start to trash Obama now, and try to get Hillary back in, because they think they can beat her. Chuck Todd said his republican family has changed their votes for the most 'electable' candidate now, and alluded to Obama possibly being the nominee....I don't think they want to run against Obama, and they just realized that.

Florida has no delegates. It's not hard to understand.

And why shouldn't they mention that Florida has no democratic delegates, it's the truth. :shrug:

CNN is calling her out for bullshit too.

didn't care about their vote. Maybe Floridians said fuck you, we matter, fuck the delegates. Ever think about that?

notice how people stop thinking how important you are after that.

once your state DLC machine stops sucking so badly, get back to the rest of us...

Got it.

I hope you respect DU rules more than you respect the DNC rules (which Michigan and Florida already agreed to)

It would be completely different if Obama had his ground game going.

I talk to people everyday. I hear what they say, who they like, and like I said before, spin it all you want, but she still would have won, it might have just been a bit closer. Mark my words too, if Obama is the nominee, Florida will go Red for the GE.

The result would be different. I don't know who would have won, but that doesn't matter, it would be different. If Hillary is the nominee, America will go red for the GE.

Hillary won FL, no matter what anybody says. Tought titty, M$NBC.

:-)

I first heard it back in 1998, when M$NBC was "All Lewinsky, All The Time" for a solid year. Unfortunately, they haven't done a whole lot in the ensuing decade to change my opinion of them, either.

It's pointless and throwing a victory party for an uncontested race looks really desperate.

:rofl:

I'm glad because this is just bizarre and embarrassing.

LOL

I think that's the best one yet!

:rofl:

Keith Olbermann just made a good point: "If they're not campaigning in Florida and have no internal organization, who gave all those people those signs to wave?"

:rofl: :patriot: :rofl:

Again.

A bit of perspective folks!:evilgrin:

ALSO...JON STEWART WILL HAVE A "FIELD DAY" WITH THIS FAUX RALLY!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Not just 59% of Hillary's votes, but 59% of all Democratic votes were cast by women. No one is talking about this enough, yet, but women are coming out in record numbers to support Hillary Clinton for President. It's not just in Florida. Women will cary her to victory in November in Clinton is our nominee.

:-)

:toast:

This should be good.

to paraphrase, Blitzer is saying that they don't want to minimize the efforts of the voters in Florida BUT her win doesn't mean anything...right now.

She might get them to seat the delegates when this is all over.

Oh, and it's pretty telling when there are more Obama supporters on a Hillary thread, than there are Hillary supporters....me thinks they are being pissy because Obama didn't get more votes.

Oh well.

they would, and it was not Dean or Pelosi....like someone from Florida...

There might even be a court challenge. I think it's wrong to disenfranchise over half-million voters.

like the rest of the corporate republican MSM can't just give it to the other candidate. Like he wins one state and he walks on water.

It's a ginned up victory with no delegates that counts for absolutely jack-shit. Why should they willingly play along with bullshit spin from her campaign?

I do have to give a big applause to Hillary. She gets hit from every side (media, obama campaign) and she still stands up and keeps going. That is one tough lady.

be a strong president.

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