For a state he never campaigned in, Obama is doing very well

32% and hundreds of thousands of votes is respectable. Also, Hillary is at or just under 50%. That means 50% voted against her.

Interesting numbers. I expected a Hillary blowout and it is but it isn't one without some concern to her camp.

percents get close once higher values come in. losing by 250,000 is nothing to be proud off.

Just sayin...

All three major candidates signed a pledge not to campaign in Florida or Michigan.

Florida.

If that's a "fair" election, well, I can see where you are coming from.

The candidates all pledged to not campaign, but fundraisers were okay.

I don't know anything about the press conference - but I don't know that it's more meaningful than Obama's commercials.

I'm an Edwards supporter and live in SW FLorida, btw.

n/t

I saw no press conferences. I heard on MSNBC the fund-raiser was strictly private.

he had commercials running there.

Nobody else did.

holding press conferences, just prior to the straw poll.

Edwards never had a shot of any kind. Do you see this as a resounding legitamate victory for Hill?

Hillary had a fundraiser, Obama had at least two.

And what straw poll are you talking about?

In my opinion, as I expressed days ago, that request to seat the FL & MI delegates was LARGELY a pander to Florida voters in a skirting of the "no campaign" pledge -- knowing it would get VERY favorable local news coverage across Florida. Yet another reason I have diminishing respect for the candidate.

If she wanted to seat the delegates, she could have made the same request AFTER the primary. Making the request beforehand was calculated to gain favor with Florida voters, and, with comments made against Obama, to diminish Obama.

but back to the issue at hand:

Did Clinton hold any press conferences in FL?

Or was the person to whom I replied just lying?

Not "breaking" or "violating" of the pledge, but "skirting."

Was the person to whom I just replied intentionally obtuse, maliciously spinning, or suffering from poor reading comprehension?

would EVER dream of skirting - not breaking, not violating - the rules.

There is no moral perfection in politics. If you're looking for moral guidance, find the building with the big steeple on it. The building with the big dome is full of smart, talented, bastards who actually run things.

i've seen Detour signs, and I've seen Alert signs, but what's a Detour alert?

Did you have a point?

There was a time, back in the olden days, when people used sentences and yes, even paragraphs, to express a thought. A paragraph is a collection of sentences encompassing a single idea. Yes! It's true! Sometimes people far more intelligent than the average DUer have ideas that take more than one sentence to express!!!!!!

Believe it or not.

'nuf said

Just cocky, stupid crap said.

The nonsense about "signs", "olden days" and sentence structure wasn't just cocky and stupid, it was patronizing, as well.

oh, suh-nap! You been pwned..!

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here and it's not the person you responded to.

Obama had commercials running in Florida. No other candidate did.

he was the first candidate to air a nation-wide ad.

You can keep lying though, its a reflection of your candidate.

he was the only candidate to do so.

Cope.

there's no denying that he had commercials running in the state.

He was the ONLY candidate to have done so.

And he lost big.

Nice try.

Edwards and Clinton did not! They both ran state adds, so to obey the rules, of not campaigning in Florida.

...with a couple of "fund-raising appearances" in the Sunshine State in the last week.

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in Florida. But fundraisers were explicitly permitted in the pledge.

Don't be a hypocrite.

That means 49% of the people voted against Obama!

Just depends how you want to look at it. :evilgrin:

Clinton's glass is more than half full!

That is nothing to boast about!

Just interested in seeing that.

a candidate who never campaigned there. But you gotta play the ball where it lies, I guess.

what's your point? :shrug:

the only one who followed the pledge was Edwards..Hillary and Obama both cheated here in Fla..get the facts right will ya!



fly

.not that it matters...

to see it won't. But thanks for posting the truth.

for truth posting....but for way more than this shit.

the other two candidates managed to keep to the pledge. We don't need to weasel and worm our way into an explanation like "It was a national ad!"

Plus, it's also been shown that it IS possible to buy a national ad and exclude certain local markets.

You'd be a good campaign operative if you were smarter.

oh and by the way..i was a 2004 Fla dem delegate...
fly

Florida’s Democratic Delegate Mess
By Kate Phillips

MIAMI — What a strange situation we’re facing here in Florida today.

No Democratic delegates (there would be 210) will come out of this primary — at least not as long as the Democratic National Committee adheres to its penalty rules because the state moved its contest up so early. And only half (57) of the state’s Republican delegates will be counted, conforming to the national G.O.P.’s decision for the same reason.

And while the Republican candidates have criss-crossed this vast, populous state intensively for the last 10 days since the party’s South Carolina primary, no Democratic candidate has been able to campaign here for months because they signed a pledge to only campaign in the four early states. (Aside from fund-raising and an Obama cable TV ad in the last week.)

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is due to descend on Davie, Fla., tonight. She has been leading in the state’s polls here. And having lost the South Carolina primary, coming out ahead here may perhaps give her a boost, however ephemeral given the nature of the absentee campaigns on the Democratic side.

The Clinton campaign, in a conference call billed as “Why Florida Matters” just a short while ago, wants it known that it now believes Florida’s delegates should be seated at the convention. (She released a statement to this effect just last week.) Asked why the campaign hadn’t urged for such a move before, Howard Wolfson, one of the senator’s top advisers, said, “I think there was a widespread expectation when the D.N.C. made its decision that voters in Florida would not participate.”

The campaign says it doesn’t envision any situation in which the delegates from Florida and Michigan aren’t seated at the party’s national convention next summer. Aides said they didn’t talk about this earlier, when Michigan voters went to the polls because only Senator Clinton of the major Democratic candidates was on the ballot there.

There are some interesting permutations here that could alter the landscape later on for Florida voters. The state’s leaders could decide to hold an alternative process — like caucuses we hear — sometime later this winter/spring. (Imagine yet another vote in Florida!) If it were held within the accepted time frame of all the other state’s primaries, those delegates would be recognized.

see the rest here:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/29/floridas-democratic-delegate-mess/

are you trying to make a distinction between the article I posted about a "Nation-wide ad", that was deemed to be in accordance with the rules, and "an Obama cable TV ad in the last week"?

That's almost a million votes by herself.

That is an AMAZING number; delegates not be awarded noted.

Obama will have to step up his game if he wants to be competitive in California.

and snub our noses at FLORIDA? HELLO?

no candidate. I don't think that shit is flying anymore. I read here tonight that Howard Dean is going to address this tomorrow, if you would be interested in finding out the facts. Or not.

Senator Clinton won the vote count and she didn't campaign at all.