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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:25 PM
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Florida is actually the purest result so far: no campaigning, no spin
no campaigning or spin from anyone (except for Obama's advertising).

So Florida voters made up their minds based on what they know about the candidates, what they've seen at the debates, and what their hearts and minds told them to do.

Nobody campaigned there.

Nobody tried to spin them.

No town hall meetings and hordes of media harrassing voters.

Just people's unvarnished votes.

The result?

Clinton carried the state with 50% of the vote, 17% more than her nearest opponent.
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jonnywishbone97 Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:26 PM
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1. and one MAJOR blowout..
OSCAMA can kiss California and New York goodbye.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:26 PM
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2. And how many voters stayed home because they knew the delegates were not
expected to be counted? We'll never know.
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jonnywishbone97 Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:26 PM
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5. maybe 2
eom
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:29 PM
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13. Your mom and dad? NT
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:29 PM
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11. Considering the huge turnout?
Not enough to have made a difference.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:29 PM
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15. And we know this how? NT
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:30 PM
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17. It looked like
more Democrats voted than Republicans. Dems turned out to vote, even though they knew it wouldn't count.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:47 PM
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36. The Presidential primary
was not the only thing on the ballot - so Dems turned up to vote for those things too

AND Clinton got a blow out because she has HUGE name recognition. That is why she has been consistently polling so high nationally forever - up until recently when campaigning began in earnest.

I do think that she will probably be the nominee - but I do believe that neither of them will beat McCain....

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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:26 PM
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3. Interesting point
It was somewhat refreshing.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:26 PM
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4. then the polls before anyone campaigned were correct Giulliani wins the nomination!
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:30 PM
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18. Bingo! We have a winner!
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:27 PM
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6. Clinton has 200,000 more votes than Kerry had is 2004 with 80% counted.
:woohoo:
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:39 PM
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28. Didn't Kerry already have the nomination by that time in 2004? Was there a prop tax issue in 2004
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:50 PM
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38. Kerry got 77% of the vote and 174 delegate! Hillary got 50% of the vote and ZERO delegates.
She did horrible by comparison, and her opponents didn't even campaign in the state

Worth repeating.

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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:27 PM
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7. Bullshit. They did campaign.
And Hillary damn near broke her high heel in speeding to break her pledge.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:27 PM
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8. You're kidding, right? All we've gotten here is media results and spin.
Nobody (on the Dem side) came and talked to us. They shut us out instead. Sure, the dipshit R party ran ads (Rudy, Mittens, McCain) but we heard nothing from the Dems. All we got was what was fucking fed to us by Fox, CNN, MSNBC. You had to seek information out to get any brand of the truth.

This is the epitome of spin. The worst kind.
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nancyharris Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:28 PM
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9. There's an idea
Let's keep our primary system "pure" and not let the candidates actually speak directly to the voters.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:28 PM
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10. Yep, just name recognition. nt
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:29 PM
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14. Obama has 97% name recognition
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:35 PM
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24. Don't confuse them with facts
n/t
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:46 PM
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30. And cable tv coverage of races in other states nt
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:29 PM
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12. Campaigning is impure? Why let folks meet there candidates, right?
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:29 PM
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16. Right!
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:31 PM
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19. How is that pure, that is called name recognition.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:33 PM
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22. Do you think people in Florida don't have televisions and computers?
is it some backwoods part of America that doesn't know who Barack Obama and John Edwards are?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:38 PM
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27. do you think hearing and speaking with candidates is the same as watching TV Fox news?
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:37 PM
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32. Does a Computer or TV somehow provide a deeper personal relationship than
meeting a candidate in person and hearing their views? Sorry but MSM is only going to supply you with what they want you to hear.
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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:48 PM
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37. Guess they're living under rocks too!
They would have to be to not have seen the media swooning all over Obama the past few months!

Puh-leaze!

This Florida thing has caused some to be totally irrational. I don't understand it!
If Obama had won I'm sure they'd be all over this place whooping it up!
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:32 PM
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20. this post reeks of hillary fuzzy purity
it makes no sense
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keithjx Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:32 PM
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21. Regardless of its "purity"
it doesn't have any bearing on what the result of a true election would hold. A true election would include the campaigns, spin, media, etc. (for better or worse). There's just not much to be read from those numbers.
Just my $0.02.
KJ
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NJObamaWoman Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:33 PM
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23. BS and you know it.
HRC is a former first lady who everyone knew. Obama is a "BLACK MAN" (emphasis on the color of his skin) from Chicago who just had a nasty e-mail smear sent out calling him a radical Muslim.

Yeah OK Florida is the purest :sarcasm:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:37 PM
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25. the result is completely flawed
Everybody knew the election counted for no delegates.
This affected the Turnout in indisputable ways.

This Primary result is not indicative of anything.
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aaronbees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:37 PM
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26. Most pathetic little meme of the night
Everything spun through the media is "no spin" to you?
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:44 PM
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29. Hardly
Edited on Tue Jan-29-08 10:48 PM by EffieBlack
Not to take anything away from Sen. Clinton - who should be congratulated for the win - this is not a pure result given that voters knew their votes probably wouldn't count. This surely affected the turnout.

I also don't believe that campaigning "taints" a race. Moreover, it's not like the Florida voters weren't exposed to campaigning - they weren't isolated on an island with no access to cable television or the internet - so they weren't immune from "spin" and the result is hardly pure.

I'm happy that Clinto won - I support all of the candidates and am happy when any of them win - but I think it's a little silly to try to turn the Florida results into something they aren't.
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:51 PM
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31. I'm in Florida...and there's been basically nothing out there about them...
unless you watch the news evry day or know something about politics, Florida democrats (who are not political) have been walking around in blind oblivion...

It was name recognition, that's all.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:39 PM
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33. Lol. Thanks for the laugh.
Is there anything you won't attempt to spin?
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:39 PM
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34. Bullshit..... Name recognition ONLY, and of course Clinton would
have the advantage there.

:eyes:
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:42 PM
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35. Seniors like Clinton.
Florida has a lot of seniors.

End of story
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the other one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:00 AM
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39. How did this make the greatest?
I gotta stop looking over here, I swear.

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