Let us be clear: Hillary kicked Obama's butt in Florida

Count or not she got 50% of the dem votes. Deal with it.

Tuh!:eyes:

Look how she always tries to change the game. I'm sorry but it screams Bush/Cheney to me.

She needs to be OUT of there.

In other words, she won a lot of those votes based on her name more than anything. Obama's best at organized ground game, and I have to believe that he did less of that, if anything much at all. Remember that Florida is an older demo, so that was another advantage. Many there don't care so much about the "future".

After 2000, it's shocking to me how many Democrats are GLEEFUL about Florida's situation.

especially older women from New York.

Florida is loaded to the gills with older women from New York.

Plus it was an uncontested race.

But if you want it to be a big Hillary moment, fine.

how many delegates did she win?

:sarcasm:

And I was just reporting the demographics.

Hillary does better with older voters (why is that so hard to understand).

Barack does better with younger voters (again, why is that so hard to understand).

Edwards has his demographics that he appeals to as well.

I'm sure that each has a certain cross section appeal. I, for example, am older and a Obama supporter. I'm sure that there are younger voters that like Hillary.

Congratulations to Hillary for winning an uncontested (by all) race.
Since we don't have those all that often, I don't know what to make of it, if anything.

I will point out one more thing (at least as reported over and over by Tim Russert, so that makes it more or less heresay)... In the Florida primary, voters that voted in the last 30 days, regardless of age, sex, race or any other factor, cast more votes for Obama than Hillary.
Voters that cast their ballots over 30 days ago (absentee) voted for Hillary.

If true, it's interesting. Might be significant (voters who waited longer got to see Obama more and preferred him) or might not (people voting 30 days ago would still vote for Hillary today if absentee wasn't allowed).

you'd be screaming racism

And on every primary so far.

They ALWAYS break it down by race, sex, age, etc.

I'm sure the candidates PAY people to poll for just this type of information.

Anyway, I didn't mention race... but it you want to break it down that way, go ahead... the numbers are easy to find.

What this contest means I have no idea. We don't often have uncontested Presidential Primaries. I can't remember one (other than when the incumbent is running unopposed).
And when I say uncontested, I mean uncontested by all the candidates.

Total delegates awarded for both contests:

Zero,

Zippo,

Nada,

Nothing!

Count them all!

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That's uncalled for and snarky.

Yeah, she didn't win any delegates. Though she now says (after she won) that she wants those delegates to count. I find that part disgusting.

But to say something like "only beauty contests Hillary will ever win" is just really really stupid. Not helpful.

These are the only such beauty contests this year.

you say "only beauty contest she will ever win"

No explanation and no qualifiers.

And beauty contest has more than one connotation, as I'm quite sure you are aware. And Hillary is the only female in the race. You are making a disparaging comment on her looks. And I'm quite certain you are aware of it. Stop it please. It's not helpful and it only reflects badly on you. Even if you didn't mean it and I'm off base, change it so no one else misinterprets it.

But now that a woman wins one, we shouldn't call them that anymore?

:wow::crazy::wow:

How silly can we get?

No kick ass, even in FL. So sorry.

If Hill had got about 70%, that might have been a rout. Oh well. Onward!

Now I've heard it all:rofl:

that in a standard Primary, with the usual amount of dialogue, perhaps a Florida debate, much more media hype, and delegates at stake, that Obama would have made this a very close race, even with the higher amount of senior citizens- Hil's #1 demographic.

from the Hillary campaign.

It's fairly predictable. The only thing unpredictable about Obama is how much of a hugh margin of votes he could get on Super Tuesday.

The Dems in office endorsing Hillary in Florida (as elsewhere) have also been pro-war, look at their record, they voted for IWR, too. Floridians who have been against this war have had only one candidate to trust, and it isn't JE, either.

I'm voting against the war in Nov. Iraq will get worse, and so will Afghanistan. Don't live in a dreamworld.

A vote against the war is also a vote for a robust civilian economy, because you can't have a war without sacrifices on the economic front. Look at WWII. We had to ration everything. And this is an unjust war so the sacrifices are likewise unjust and unnecessary.

Some people can't relate the economy to the war, but it is wasting hugh amounts of capital as much as it is wasting hugh amounts of human lives. The economy is pretty shot up right now. I can't see it getting any better soon.

It was a straw-poll, an exhibition game, and other phrases that describe meaningless. The real game is next week. :)

and NOW we know the results! HRC will be the Democratic nominee whether YOU, YOU, YOU and ME like it or not!

Hillary has something to smile about!

~

What - don't you like how Hillary looks when she's happy? :eyes:

I could probably use a camera and zoom in on most people that age and produce unflattering results...

And again, ---- you and your fucked up Freeper Photo...

anywhere yet. The only place she has come close is New Hampshire where she tied in number of delegates she recieved.

Deal with it.

DEAL.

in a state everybody campaigned in.

http://hrclinton.meetup.com/54/boards/view/viewthread?thread=4094981
And he still lost by over 287,000 votes.

much more important than SC.

or OSCAMA will never win the nomination or the presidency. Go ahead and try to piss off 2 million voters.

but ONLY if Clinton gets enough delegates to win the nomination WITHOUT them. Then, they will be added to her already winning total.

If that doesn't happen, the delegates will be seated, but only AFTER Obama is nominated, so that Florida's delegates can participate in the Platform discussions.

So Florida will count.

Seems to me that there were around 860,000 voters who supported HRC and 570,000 plus that voted for Obama. So the choice is pissing off 860,000 or 570,000. And if you add in the quarter million voters who went for Edwards who would have every reason to be pissed off if if the delegates counted after their candidate honored the no-campaign pledge, it seems like you are getting very close to a wash as to whether you piss off more by counting them or by not counting them.

as much as a month ago.

IF you just look at the people who voted yesterday . . . IN THE MEANINGLESS, UNCONTESTED PRIMARY . . . OBAMA got the most votes.

In the end, there were NO . . . ZERO, NULL, NUN, NUNCA . . . delegates won, yesterday.

Deal with it!

:patriot:


Ka-ping!

Those evil voters! How dare they cast their votes for whom they want? :crazy: :sarcasm:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/21/politics/main3734796.shtml
Early Voters Key To Victory In Florida
Mail-in, Absentee Voting Means Large Chunk Of Votes In Jan. 29 GOP Primary Are Already Cast
MIAMI, Jan. 21, 2008

MSNBC kept stating this repeatedly last night. Spin away but only the future will tell.

but realize it's little more than a beauty contest since there's nothing that came of it.

If you want to take that primary "election" seriously, be my guest.

In a real primary, namely South Carolina, who kicked whose butt again?