Clinton wins first Democratic Primary, despite Obama's cheating.

In the first Primary where only Democrats were allowed to vote for the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton trounced Barack Obama, who finished a distant second. Final tallies show Obama finished in fourth place overall, behind Clinton, McCain, and Romney in total Florida voter support.
Despite violating Democratic Party rules against campaigning in Florida by running TV spots that reached over 90% of Florida households, Senator Obama finished over 287 thousand votes behind Senator Clinton.

Congratulations to Senator Hillary Clinton on her overwhelmingly Democratic win in Florida.

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should not count.. that's it... end of discussion...

Only Democrats allowed to vote, and they chose Clinton.
Bravo, Florida!

did vote. they wanted their message heard.

Clintondroids never ever do it.

he/she will support McCain. Just a guess.

Their bandwagon is in a ditch, and they're still beating the horses.

:)

...but Yes! for lunch!
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would pick Hillary

Did he?

They are mostly Jewish and mostly liberal and it was in Florida and this area where the local Jewish papers have only recently condemned the anti-Obama emails that say he was a Muslim. I heard that and countered it when a few people mentioned that lie as long ago as the High Holy Day services. Here is a link to the editorial on these emails from my local Jewish paper from last week.

http://www.njjewishnews.com/ed.html

I assume that this elderly community was one that contributed heavily to the early vote for HRC. I have seen no analysis by area.

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"Vote for Me! Hope I'll Change!"
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Not in tombstone territory here, I always try to respect - not flaunt - DU rules.
I agree with your assessment of the Florida results. "Hope, Change, and I'm not Clinton" isn't a very deep message.

First of all, Obama did not cheat. The Four State Pledge allowed campaign ads that were nationwide, which Obama's were. It was a technicality, true, but you can't call it cheating unless you are willing to criticize Hillary Clinton's visit to Florida. Ah, but that was a fundraising event, which was permitted under the Four State Pledge. Seems to me they were both trying to use the loopholes to their advantage.

With a prohibition on our candidates campaigning here in Florida, voter interest and preference was essentially frozen where it was five months ago. Since H Clinton is the most well known, it is only natural that she won - it certainly wasn't through hard work, reaching out to voters and gettting her ideas to them.

Furthermore, your labeling of Florida's primary as first is disengenuous. If you are discounting New Hampshire and South Carolina because their primaries are open, you can't really count Florida. After all, the DNC isn't...

All that said, congratulations to Hillary Clinton for her beauty contest victory.

First, Obama clearly cheated by airing ads in Florida.
Secondly: "Furthermore, your labeling of Florida's primary as first is disengenuous." I'm being factual - this was the first Primary where only Democrats were allowed to vote for the nominee. If you don't see the significance of that, just review the results. Republicans and Independents voting in our Primaries: Strong Support for Obama. When only Democrat vote: resounding support for Clinton.
With no delegates were at stake, Florida's Democrats turned out in huge numbers to give Clinton an overwhelming vote of confidence.
Congratulations to Senator Clinton.

I still don't agree (guess we'll have to agree to disagree) but I should not have said you were being disingenuous. I did not mean to imply any willful effort on your part at deceit. I still don't think it's accurate, but we would be splitting hairs at this point to decide whether Florida's primary really counts.

If anything, the fact that Clinton wins handily in closed primaries whereas Obama does well in open ones should be a note of caution to us as we look towards the fall.

Can't argue with that logic.

the primaries were open. Wasn't there a whole campaign to encourage DEMOCRATS to vote for Romney????? So, you can't say that Romney's win was totally accurate. Same with NH and SC. I'm sure lots of republican voted for the candidate they thought would be easiest to beat.

And then Florida had a Democratic Primary where the Republicans weren't allowed to vote...
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Hey Barack! Cheetahs never win. :evilgrin:

When only Democrats vote, they vote for Clinton.

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always work out well for you.



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http://hrclinton.meetup.com/54/boards/view/viewthread?thread=4094981
Statement By The Clinton Campaign On Senator Obama?s Violation Of The Early State Pledge

The Obama campaign today began airing paid television advertisements in a national cable buy that include advertising in the state of Florida. There is no question that these ads are a clear and blatant violation of the early-state pledge that Senator Obama and the other leading Democratic candidates signed last year.

The early state pledge was crystal clear in its prohibition against any kind of campaign activity (outside of fundraising) in states that do not adhere to the DNC calendar. There is no ambiguity. Among the list of prohibited activities are "electronic advertising that reaches a significant percentage of the voters in the aforementioned state." (According to Nielsen, there are 6,6 million TV households in Florida that receive CNN through either local cable systems or satellite dishes. This represents 92% of all Florida TV households.) The Obama campaign knows this, but has chosen to violate the pledge regardless.

Just last week the Obama campaign snubbed the people of Florida in a memo that stated that Florida did not matter in the nominating process. After consecutive losses in New Hampshire, Michigan and Nevada, they appear to be changing course.

Senator Obama's flagrant disregard for the pledge that he signed is disturbing and calls the integrity of the pledge into question.

At least I was honest and provided links that had quotes from both sides, including the part where her team says they'll probably have to do the same thing.

Nothing like whittling away at your credibility.

She sure is a woman of her word holding up that pledge she took, eh? :eyes:

I can see where that would upset someone like you.

"Final tallies show Obama finished in fourth place". Priceless!

Clinton, on the otherhand, came in first.

I was being sarcastic. I thought it was obvious, maybe I was wrong.

Backatcha ;o)

And I don't mean Jack Kennedy...

the story is just not going to get any oxygen. The press, having taken the DNC's line on the matter, are more interested in the results of the Republican primary.

However, your mendacious use of emotive language to get an intemperate response from your fellow DUers may be more successful. ;-)

I've been called "transparent" as though it were a bad thing. :hi:

I called it mendacious.

However, ten out of ten for being so honest about your motivations.

:hi:

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For an Obama supporter, it was quite restrained.

I would have left off the end. just me.

the voters who voted yesterday voted in greater numbers for Obama. The voters who pre-voted over 1 month ago voted for Hillary, (per MSNBC). So, keep dreaming Meth.... Hillary is the one who wants to break the rules by sitting delegates who are from states that broke the rules. I believe her stunt last night will be the final nail in her candidacy. It was an obvious affront to the process and the voters nation wide will see it as that...

Perhaps you all should check the seal on that Hawaiian private school diploma.

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Great, just what we need, ethics lessons from a Clinton... :puke:

Very clearly, too.

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I hope you use the ZERO delegates wisely...seeing as you are still far behind in the delegate count right now...adding ZERO delegates really helps your cause...

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4th place, far behind overall top vote getter Clinton, and well behind McCain and Romney too.

Yup...that's right..MOST delegates...do the math...it's the DELEGATES that count..not the number of votes they received...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/
Clinton 232
Obama 158
Edwards 62

like KO said those Hillary folk had those printed posters lying around...

Hillary is reaching, becoming desperate. those delegates may be seated. their votes still wont count.

Rules are rules. Hillary does not have to like them but should still abide by them. or is she like the current bozo in the office.

Pandering is the best word here.

Bringing posters to an after-the-voting-was-done rally is violating the "no campagning before the Primary" rule. It's not like she bought TV ads that were sent to 90% of the households in Florida, is it?

advertisements costs the same if you try to eliminate one sub market or not.

Claiming victory in a meaning less straw poll to influence "politically challenged" persons is pretty thin. Hillary "won" Michigan and Florida? telling those citizens their delegates will be seated is true. their delegate votes still wont be counted...

as a puff piece, sadly it will work. truthfully, lying to those voters is a sign of desperation.

lol.I thought it was "just a beauty contest" in Florida.ha,Guess he did care.How can his supporters act like this was inconsequential when their "Leader" ran ads for votes?

Anyway,YES!

Floridians took the time to go vote in an election that at this point doesn't give delegates...They deserve all our respect and admiration.They did Our Party proud yesterday.And so did Hillary.

Congratulations to her on her BIG Win and a Big Thanks to All Floridians who made sure their voices were heard.

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And still finished over 287 thousand vote behind Clinton.

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He needs to go back to that exclusive private high school in Hawaii for remedial Geography.
Congratulations to Senator Hillary Clinton on her overwhelmingly Democratic win in Florida.

He had clearance to run those ads from the dem leadership.
He did not cheat.

You have an unusual opinion on the meaning of "distorting"

i haven't heard her calling Obama a cheater, so why are you?
as far as i know, there was no problem with him running the ads nationwide.

http://hrclinton.meetup.com/54/boards/view/viewthread?thread=4094981

Not the Dem leadership

or the democratic party.

Senator Clinton did not win Florida, it was not a real contest. The reason why candidates Campaign is because it makes a difference, that's the game. I love her, and I was a little embarrassed by her behavior, but I still support her, but, not blindly! And, I don't feel the need to make up reasons to support her. And, I think there's plenty of reason to support her without tearing the other guy down.

Florida Democrats gave her an overwhelming vote of confidence.
Her after the vote rally to thnk them for their support was a classy thing to do.

How it was virtually ignored by the MSM and how it speaks of the general bias against her.He said that even if it wasn't for delegates it still speaks volumes about the trends and about the race itself and deserved front page headlines.

She defeated Obama by over 287K, just days after his SC win.
And the media ignored it because it doesn't fit in with the Fairy Tale they're writing.

If it had been Obama to win by such a wide margin it would have been ALL the msm had talked about and his supporters would be singing a different tune:"Yup,that's right there WEREN'T EVEN ANY DELEGATES and Floridians STILL went out and voted for him!!!!THAT's The Power of OBAMA,so suck it!Jealous Hillbots!"

lol,I can so see all of that happening had Jesus Christ Superstar,otherwise known as Obama, won...I would use the eye roll smiley but this is beyond fun and games for me.I'm disgusted by the msm and his supporters for allowing "this" all to go down so easily!With no questions asked.It's actually pretty frightening when you think about it.

alot of the media coverage, or lack there of.

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I thought of this thread immediately when I heard what Dan was saying.THIS post was the only "Headline" I saw that even remotely came close to what happened.Sensationalized or not this thread was the only place I saw a Congratualtions and analysis of what went down in Florida.

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I smile everytime I see that quote from her,"My girl"...I could not be happier that she,of all women,endorsed Hillary.

This vote went HIllary! And so did all my peeps...:) My voice will be heard and so will ALL Fl Dem's! To not allow delegation seating is to disenfranchise..anyway tou look at it!

Fl had choices...WE chose Hillary. Obama cheated and did not get away with this time.

BTW..why is Ed Schultz..Steph Miller..AND Randi Rhodes sound like they have the same talking points...and amnesia? Sen Kerry as well yesterday...conveiently for got to mention as he was talking how bad economy is ...CCard debt..our consumer energy costs..etc...and a bill that was past...how unfortunate he said some dem's DID vote for that bill...hmmm well...WAS NOT HILLARY...(of course he didn't mention that!) OH...BUT it WAS Mr. Obama! AND of course he DIDN"T mention that either... Hillary on the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill
by Crystal Pattersonin News5/24/2007 8:54 PMHillary:

"Tonight I voted against the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill because it fails to compel the President to give our troops a new strategy in Iraq. I believe

that the President should begin a phased redeployment of our troops out of Iraq and abandon this escalation. I fully support our troops, and wish the President had

followed the will of the people and signed the original bill we sent which both funded the troops and set a new course of phased redeployment. But the President

vetoed Congress's new strategy and so Congress must reject the President's failed policies. I will also continue to press with Senator Byrd for our legislation to end

the authorization of the war in Iraq.

While I am deeply disappointed that the supplemental does not provide for a new course in Iraq, I want to recognize the many worthy parts of this bill: funding to help

those sickened in the aftermath of 9/11, additional relief for Katrina and Rita victims, homeland security funds for high-threat cities like New York City, resources to

protect parts of New York affected by recent flooding, $650 million for the State Children's Health Insurance Program, and the first federal minimum wage increase in

ten years. I support these measures but cannot support this Emergency Supplemental which will not change\
our course in Iraq."

<snip>
Obama voted for war appropriations giving our money to Halliburton and Blackwater. His latest bit of posturing S 433 allows the Bush Administration to suspend any

troop withdrawal!!!!Which if not suspended, still keeps the troops in Iraq for a long time to come? Also gave in to pressure from the Bush and lobbyists, Obama voted

for Bush's energy bill, sending more than $13 billion in subsidies and tax breaks to oil, coal, and nuclear companies. Obama was the Senate's biggest Democratic

advocate of subsidies for liquid coal, even though liquid coal produces twice the global warming pollution of the crude oil it's meant to Look at today headlines from AP

NEW YORK - Crude oil prices soared to $100 a barrel Wednesday for the first time, reaching that milestone amid an unshakable view that global demand for oil and

petroleum products will outstrip supplies.
Obama is lost in the game of politics we cannto afford to let him learn in the White House!

JUST SAYIN>>>> VOTE HILLARY..:)

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