Democracy died today.

In my opinion, Edwards was the only real democrat in this race. We all lose with Edwards out of the race.

Democracy thrives today. Quit your goddamn melodrama.

how snarky.....

says NOTHING about the state of our democracy. I'm tired of the melodramatic bullshit.

much of themselves in the campaign and it just seemed harsh.

Thanks for your clarification.

My candidate losing = death of democracy. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to put up with that kind of melodrama. These people need to grow up and realize that losing is also a part of the process. If you want to talk about voter fraud - do that, if it existed in this case. If you want to talk about corporations taking over our political system, do that, AND be very, very clear and careful that your candidate isn't a part of that process. But don't make comments like the OP.

But first of all, I'm not entirely convinced that Edwards wasn't a complete non-corporatist in the first place.

so for the next week we get to hear all the bullshit again and again... Edwards would have been... blah blah blah...

Burger King or McDonalds?

ATT or Sprint?

Coke or Pepsi?

Nope, the only candidates we get to choose between are the ones that are bought and paid for. The public and the progressive populists once more lose.

Social Darwinian, "Market Democracy"-- where the ideas of the rich put all the other ideas out of business.

Fuck off.

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p.s. Your comments remind me of the repukes' after 2000.

They are a figment of our political parties and are entirely unnecessary to run for President. If, however, you want the blessing of a political party, you play by the party's rules.

If you want to run for President, and have a realistic shot at winning, then you damn sure need to be approved by one of the two political parties in this fucked-up country.

when you and your cohorts come begging for help in the next few years, uninsured and with no way to pay for health care.

While millions of people will NEVER get to have a voice in the nomination process. MILLIONS. How the fuck is that democracy? Time to scrap this bullshit primary system.

with no real sense of political realities, and not a whit of concern about true progressive ideals, and i say this because the foregoing is revealed by your mindless insensitivity to a cadre of passionate, selfless defenders of traditional democratic values.

hows that for melodrama, chump?

your sophomoric username says the rest. i look forward to not reading equally sophomoric posts like yours, starting right...now.

in my opinion, John Edwards is still involved in the struggle, though in a different capacity. John and Elizabeth Edwards are two of the most decent human beings involved in national politics. Those individuals at the grass roots level who recognize the Truth of the Edwards' message need to help keep the message alive.

thanks H2O Man! :hug:

about some of the real issues.

that John Edwards has decided that this is the best course for advancing those causes that he knows are essential for this country. There have been reports about his campaign being contacted by both of the other two campaigns. Those who have paid close attention are aware that Edwards' campaign has itself been in contact with one of the other two.

Today John and Elizabeth have more of an ability to impact what happens both at and after the convention, than at any other time. Thank you, John and Elizabeth.

Attorney General. That will scare the repugs more than anything else.

and told Hillary and Obama to stop their petty fighting or nic picking.

yourself to engage in those discussions that seek to avoid the real issues.

In each of our personal lives, we will have the experience of trying to discuss a serious topic, and having another person try to distract us by bringing up nonsense. We have two choices: to allow the other person to disctract us, or to constantly keep the focus on the important topic.

I used to be, before retiring, part of a team from the mental health clinic where I worked, who did the evaluations and treatment of the forensic clients. Experience dealing with the most manipulative of criminals has helped prepare me for discussing politics. (grin) We all need to keep our eyes on the prize, so to speak. What John Edwards was advocating in his campaign -- social justice -- has to be important to each of us. And if either other campaign wants your or my support, they have to be advocating social justice.

Thank you for you post and I hope you continue here. I have been tempted to post on Progressive Independent but I don't learn when discussing with only progressives. Once again I will be looking for someone to vote for in the general. Between you and me the last winning President I voted for was Richard Nixon (it was an anti-war vote) and have voted in every election.

I'm so sad this morning.

Now let's all roll up our sleeves, kiss and make up, and fight the Repubs, not each other! Let's carry Edwards' message to November!

I'm so sad this morning.

Now let's all roll up our sleeves, kiss and make up, and fight the Repubs, not each other! Let's carry Edwards' message to November!

What's next?

BEAUTY DIED TODAY!

TRUTH DIED TODAY!

THE WORLD ENDED TODAY!

Edwards was a good candidate, but don't turn his departure from the race into a farce.

A sad comedy.
One is Black, one is a Woman....no other REAL differences.
Superficial soundbytes backed by the same Corporations in a mud wrestling contest.


Who did/did not shake hands today?

melodrama doesn't really help and it doesn't resonate. It just makes a joke of things.

A sad day for sure, but democracy has been through a lot.

that's pretty dramatic. :wow:

Do the math.

there is no one to vote for. but you do whatever you want to

If you don't vote, you don't mater.

see ya.

tsk, tsk.

Anyone who does not want to support the Democratic candidates is free to go elsewhere; they have no business here.

husband, mom, niece, nephew, and yours truly.

The corporatists ruling class wins again.

a gift from the pouting peanut gallery.

incumbent? I don't believe it has ever happened except Lieberman and he still stayed in office. The Democratic party will not support anyone that runs in the primary against and incumbent. You can not unseat Pelosi for example. The Party will support her all the way. So you get to vote alright but for the person supported by the party machine. In the Democratic primary, Pelosi will be the only choice.

Forget about any gains in Congress this year. We'll be doing well to hold on to a majority in the House OR the Senate.

No wonder the Republicans have so much power.

Talk about a fifth column!

We don't get to decide.

Thats why so many republicans are voting with democrats for change. Real change, you know.

If you are unwilling to abide by the votes of Democratic party members for the nominee, you really were never part of the party, IMO.

You're not really a Democrat if you don't acknowledge that the candidate favored by the plurality of Democratic Party members who vote is not a valid nominee.

Democracy didn't die today - you've just announced that you're not a Democrat. Good riddance.

You are apparently under the delusion that we either have had a primary or that we are really having a Primary and will have a GE. The nominee has been predetermined and that is now obvious.I have no vote because I AM a Democrat.

Agree with you completely! I will not vote for a neo-democrat.

Since he/she has been 'chosen,' please let us know which one it is????
:sarcasm:

but sad about the state of our nation. The fix is in. The corporations have chosen the next president.

But I just have to react to this one.

:rofl:

I got over it.

I also think there's only so much a president can do anyway - congress, other influences and political compromise are rate limiting factors; I don't know how to quantify the influence of the media or the media agenda - that is, I think the media does do crappy stuff to serve an agenda, but it's hard to know when and how deliberate it is.

But mostly I'm just sorry that JE is out of the race. I hope he'll be on the ticket as VP at least.

I don't think it's difficult at all to tell how deliberate the media's interference in democracy is. Not at all.

I am waiting to see what he's going to say at the conference.

I just heard on the news, that he only got 14% in Florida, that result could have done it, but I rather hear it from John.

I'm really going to miss him.

If the Edwards people want to be sad on the board, let them. Tomorrow we can tell them to move on, but it sucks when your candidate drops out. It's important to reflect on Edwards and not tell Edwrads people to grow up or stop the drama. It's their day, let them have it.

Edwards people are very active on this board and need to be respected.

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts about this, please: "Who's afraid of John Edwards?"
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the namecalling... the petty drama over substanceless bullshit... *that* stuff, people flock to like flies to shit.

:crazy:

:banghead:

"the namecalling... the petty drama over substanceless bullshit"

I posted an "Oh the drama" pic at this OP title "Democracy died today".

No, it died in 2000 when Bush stole the election, not when JE dropped out of the primary.

I'll read the other stuff when I have time to process it, I don't right now and want to give it the proper attention.

I was just venting in response to the person I responded to, that's all...

You were snarky and that's understandable because the OP is in fact dramatic...

That's not what I was venting about... I was talking about threads started about how intolerable and horrible people are for being dramatic, crap like that... and the fact that the substanceless stuff (like the OP's dramatic outburst) gets so much more attention than the substantial stuff...

Sorry for even giving you the impression that I meant you! *mortified*

in 2000 when FL was called for Bush.

Peace. :)

mite fight the corporatist ruling class, but it was a foolish dream. The corporatist ruling class win again.

The Edwards people should let Obama and Clinton know they want Edwards message to still be heard. The Edwards Democrats need to be louder than ever before.

I'm pissed off that Edwards dropped out too but this is a bit much. It just means we're gonna get the same ol same ol in DC for at least the next 4 years.

If his voting record represents Democracy, then no thanks.

You aren't a Democrat, you're an Edwards groupie.

People want either Obama or Clinton on our side... it is what it is.

He was shut out by msm. Effectively ignored by them, and thus by the public. Big money wins again.

I'm seriously losing track of Democracy's many purported deaths as reported on DU. I think I might go buy a notebook during my lunch break today.

Shame that Edwards is out, though, he was the strongest contender for my primary vote in Ohio. Now I'm back to being undecided... AGAIN. x(

As long as the Republicans lose the election, Democracy might just have a chance!

I think Edwards really had a great chance to be the alternative to Clintobama, especially if he did well in the debate tomorrow night. I've said that Clinton/Obama's bickering was really self-defeating and would start to turn voters off. However, there was also the chance that Edwards would do poorly again, and that he would play the role of spoiler somehow, and give someone the upper hand. Edwards made a calculation that he'd rather have Clintobama duke it out, 100%.

It means only Clinton or Obama would be left standing to face John McCain in November. I don't find that helpful at all. Anyway I already voted and Edwards has my vote regardless. I can't change back the clock.

and Democratic $$$, just business as usual at U$A, Inc.

around in circles like the zombies in Romero's "Night of the Living Dead" ever since.

Melodramatic?

Too bad.

Meanwhile, we can use our time constructively to begin rebuilding grassroots Democracy in our communities.

Take care of yourself, your job, protect your family and save your money. We're in for some very tough times ahead and we have to stay strong.

and the chance for a position in a Dem administration.

All is not lost.

He didn't die, just dropped out.

if he had stayed in until after 2/5. I'm so disappointed about this, I'm not even going to caucus, which I was really looking forward to doing for the first time in my life. I just can't participate now -- I'm going to throw all my energies into Alaska's House race.

and not for the better. I believe the Bush agenda lives on.

F 'em all. We've been screwed since raygun, I hope all the corporate ass kissers are happy now.

It is the denial of much of the American public to this end that has taken a bit to pass on.

I for one am shocked John did not stay in the race through Super Tuesday. I just don't understand why the sudden departure. If it was because of Elizabeth's health, most definitely understood, but other than that I do not think he was doing so poorly as to have to drop out now.

Even with the purposeful Media Blackout on his candiacy, I felt he was actually starting to gain some momentum.

We are a nation without a real choice, without a voice.

Most of us do not realize this yet.

Kucinich was my first choice, Edwards my second.

I really do not have that much excitement for Obama, and have no interest in Hillary at all.

Even if the Democrats do prevail this November, I do not see much hope for real change. I hope that somehow I am wrong.

The one thing I am certain of is that if McCain wins, you best check your Calendars.

It will be 1938 all over again.

in 1984 when my candidate didn't win.

with Mondale's big policy announcement: 'I will raise your taxes.' How to cement the Reagan Revolution in just a few words.

He was not the only real democrat. We have two others.

slavery, the Salem Witch Trials, Roger Taney, Separate But Equal, the Scottsboro Boys, two World Wars, McCarthyism, four presidential assassinations, Vietnam, Watergate, Anita Byant, Iran-Contra, Reagan, Strom Thurmond, 9-11, and even George W. Bush.

I think Democracy will also survive John Edwards not being in the Democratic primary.

I guess everyone is stupid except for you too.

Democracy is alive and well (as much as can be with e-voting).

If Edwards had stayed in the race like he said he was going to YESTERDAY, then we would see how the votes would have fleshed out on February 5th.

Facts are facts. The Edwards campaign has stopped. You have to move on. I hope you do.

Oh, please. I was a big Edwards supporter, but "Democracy Died Today?" Grow up. Go live in China for a year, and then see if America seems like it has no democracy.

I'm beginning to think this board is largely visited by twelve-year-olds.

It's probably time to get the hell out of dodge. :scared:

And I still have to mail in my income tax return, so I'm pretty sure our country isn't dead.

Cry me a freakin' river...

It's nice to be a part of this community. I am so glad EVERYONE gets to have a voice here.