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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:20 AM
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Why is Hillary still distorting the facts to claim she was snubbed:
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 11:28 AM by ProSense

Clinton Certainly Felt Snubbed

30 Jan 2008

Check out this Q and A from last night:

WALLACE: Finally, Senator Clinton, there was an incident last night at the State of the Union address that is getting a bit of attention. When you get into the hall – we’ll put the picture up -- you reached out -- Senator Kennedy and Senator Obama were standing side by side. Senator Kennedy shook your hand, and Senator Obama said he was looking to talk to somebody else. Some people are saying that he snubbed to you. Do you feel like you were snubbed you last night?
SEN. CLINTON: Well, Chris, I reached out my hand in friendship and unity and my hand is still reaching out. And I look forward to shaking his hand when I see him at the debate in California. But what is important here is that any differences between us as Democrats pale in comparison to the differences between us and the Republicans, and I think we will have a unified Democratic Party... We will come together, not only as a party, but as a country in this election year, and I am confident that we are going to present a very strong case to the American people as to why Democrats should once again be in the White House

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Obama says Clinton 'snub' didn't happen

This series of photos show no snub:



h/t tyne

Edited to add:

Clinton-Obama Tensions Spill Into the Senate

By JEFF ZELENY
Published: August 3, 2007

<...>

It wasn’t always this way.

When Mr. Obama was running for the Senate, Mrs. Clinton waited out a lightning storm on a tarmac to fly to Chicago for a fundraiser on his behalf. After he arrived in Washington in 2005, he studied her first year in office and worked to keep a similarly studious – yet low – profile. After Hurricane Katrina, he joined Mrs. Clinton and former President Bill Clinton as they visited storm evacuees in Houston, with Mr. Obama walking a few paces behind out of deference to the leading names of the Democratic Party.

The relationship began to change, according to several Democrats who are friendly to both senators, when Mr. Obama began musing aloud about a presidential bid. The day he opened his exploratory committee, several Senate observers said, he extended his hand and said hello on the Senate floor. She breezed by him, offering a cool stare.

One week later, following the State of the Union address, the two senators found themselves doing a back-to-back interview on CNN. Mr. Obama went first, with Mrs. Clinton pacing a few feet away. Finally, an aide escorted her completely around the rotunda of the Russell Senate Office Building, avoiding walking directly by Mr. Obama.

Many Senate observers, even those close to Mrs. Clinton, say they believe she set the less-than-collegial tone. But Mr. Obama offered a glimpse into his own competitiveness two years ago when a Chicago television reporter who had come to Washington to interview Mr. Obama informed him that he had snagged a hallway interview with Mrs. Clinton.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:22 AM
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1. You know I hadnt really looked closely before
But if you look at the second picture its clear it was Teddy that offered the hand not clinton.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:55 PM
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56. She's playing victim!
That's all it is!

What happened to being "strong and tough?"

She's not and she's playing it to the hilt.

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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:41 PM
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76. Ted saw a lady in red suit leaning in front of the woman with the scarf
and knew she was angling for a greeting. Since Ted knows his manners, he did not turn away.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:22 AM
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2. It is second nature for the Clintons to lie. To them, a lie is just another pathway to power. The
truth is all relative to the Clintons.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:25 AM
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5. It's pretty clear to me
That Clinton was approaching both Ted and Barack, and so Ted offered his hand as he saw her approaching.

It's also clear that Obama decided to beat a hasty retreat as soon as he noticed Clinton approaching.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:26 AM
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8. So he should have ignored Mccaskill in order to give Clinton a photo-op? n/t
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:28 AM
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11. He should have been smarter
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:35 AM
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20. Smarter? Is there a rule somewhere that one ignores those who support them
when Hillary Clinton is in the room?

Hillary above all others?

More like Hillary Clinton's ego above all others.

She's just pissed that Obama ruined a cheesy photo-op for her campaign, but hey she got to proclaim her victimhood again :applause: That's our girl!
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:38 AM
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23. That's your frame
and rather an ugly frame of that.

I'm just saying that Obama was apparently not smart enough to realize that the media would be hovering over any possible interaction between himself and Hillary.

At least I HOPE that's all it was. It certainly didn't help that he made a concerted effort to shake Bush's hand --and yet seemed to make a concerted effort NOT to shake Clinton's.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:48 AM
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26. Or he made an effort to shake the hand of the person who endorsed
him and was seeking his attention while Clinton was attempting a photo-op with him and Senator Kennedy.

We can go back and forth since Obama/Mccaskill have said one thing and Clinton has said another.

She could have said she reached over and shook Kennedy's hand and when they were done Obama had moved - instead she made the bs comment about 'reaching out in unity and friendship' or something to that effect. Oh, please! It was a photo-op she was attempting to create.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:53 AM
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27. Good for her then
she's a smart campaigner.

:shrug:

Obama had 2 choices at that point. Shake her hand --or not.

He chose the latter.

Great "Unity" move.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:06 PM
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30. Yes, good for her - show the public a facade rather than the reality
That's what we all need in a President :thumbsup:



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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:07 PM
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32. You don't think
Obama's was as much of a facade?

I sure HOPE it was a facade on his part, and he's not as childish as this made him seem.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:15 PM
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36. I'll believe him and Claire Mccaskill who both said that she called him over
and he walked to her. That's what the photos show and that's what two people say. Clinton is painting us a nice picture and the MSM and her supporters are drooling over it. Poor victim Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama didn't shake her hand.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. See while you make it into an attack on Hillary
I just comment that Obama made a poor decision.

Judging by the reaction in the media -- I'm correct.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:22 PM
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46. "Obama made a poor decision" isn't an attack on Obama?
:rofl:

He didn't do anything wrong. He turned to a fellow Senator who had called to him. That is all.

Clinton has already made it clear that she was looking for a 'unity' photo-op and had even requested that they sit next to each other for the SOTU. It's all smoke and mirrors for the Clinton camp. Obama ruined her plans. Poor Hillary.

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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. Distortions on your part
Hillary never requested to sit next to Obama.

She agreed with some Democratic Leaders who wished for that to occur.

Obama's campaign passed on the suggestion.

And no --it's not an attack --it's an observation.

Obama was presented with a choice. Even if we stipulate to Hillary wanting a photo-op --Obama chose (poorly) to not engage in it.

The blowback for Obama is the reality. His decision hurt him.

Obama didn't ruin Hillary's plans at all.

Hillary would have won that opportunity no matter what Obama did. Though I daresay he'd have looked far better if he just shook her hand.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:50 PM
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54. Distortions on your part
That this hurt Obama in some way.

That Clinton didn't 'create' this issue in any way.

That Clinton isn't attempting to capitalize on it by playing the victim.

That Clinton and the media have been given the truth and continue to promote her version of the events. (as do her supporters who seem to revel in women's victimhood rahter than letting perfectly harmless events GO).

Again, we can continue to go back and forth if you really want.

I'm not an Obama supporter, but cannot stand the 'vote for Clinton because men are meanies' meme.

If she were strong on her own she wouldn't have tried to create the photo-op and she wouldn't have played her percieved slight up for the media.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:03 PM
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59. How did Clinton create this story?
the story broke while she was listening to the SOTU.

Maddiejoan is 100% right. Obama had two options: shake her hand, or turn away. Shaking her hand had no downside. Walking away caused all this sensation.

So which was the wiser choice?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:09 PM
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60. Hi Monkey Funk, glad to have you weigh in
:hi:

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. Nice to see you, darlin'.
But how did Clinton create this story?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:29 PM
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64. I don't see a snub - when Kennedy was shaking Clinton's hand Obama turned to Mccaskill
who had called to him. That is what Obama and Mccaskill told the press. Clinton could have just agreed with that. She chose to make the 'untiy handshake' comment instead. You've read all the other posts so I can't believe I have to repeat myself. Clinton could have let it go and if she had the press would have as well. She chose to keep it alive. She chose to play the victim and the media is eating it up. Poor Hillary, mean old Barack Obama didn't shake her hand. Now, please tell me. Are you going to re-ask the question again so I have to answer it again?

You think Obama snubbed Clinton/I think Clinton played on his turning to Mccaskill while she was shaking Kennedy's hand.

The week before the caucuses my husband and I went to see President Clinton speak. We had the honor of going backstage to greet him. When he came out of his holding room he walked straight to me and shook my hand (passing in front of my husband to do so). When he said hello to me and asked me my name I said "Debi xxxxx", my husband then said "That's my wife Mr. President" Clinton turned and recognized my husband then and they started talking. Should my husband have gone on the national news about how Bill Cliton 'snubbed' him? Or should he have been a grown up and let it go?

It's nice to get to post back and forth with you MF - please, you can read all the other posts on this. Don't re-ask the same questions mj did just to continue the argument. You know what I believe.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. I never said anything about a snub
I'm asking specifically how Clinton created this story? She was sitting in the House of Representatives when it broke.

She's powerful, but not THAT powerful.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:45 PM
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67. *sigh* Fine - she could have stopped the story but instead she played the victim
Can we be done now?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #67
68. If it bothers you to discuss it, sure
but the same question applies: How could she have STOPPED it while sitting in the House?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:04 PM
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70. I watched her interview. She played the victim.
She 'reached out in friendship and unity' and she's still reaching out.

Why isn't Joe Biden complaining? He was standing right there. Oh, maybe because he's not playing the victim.

Should I just stay on this thread for you to ask me again about this again? Or can we act more grown up than Hillary Clinton and move on?
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #54
79. okay
Thanks for that dispatch from Fantasy Island
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #26
75. A photo op for party unity is not a bad thing.
I can't believe the followers of The Great Uniter no capeesh.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #8
57. saying
"One second, Claire" wouldn't have made the news.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #5
29. I agree - its an obvious snub = and the photographer who took the photos says he saw a snub
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #2
6. This is
the kind of distortions that Bush thrived on and it put us through hell for 8 years. Total dishonesty.

How Hillary supporters can look the other way on crap like this is beyond me. Seriously folks.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #6
21. "...look the other way". Bingo. A perfect description of Obama's rude act.
:nopity:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:23 AM
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3. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:24 AM
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4. Ugh, what happens when a head of state doesn't' t bow or curtsy to her satisfaction?
"Off with their heads!"

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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:25 AM
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7. These are Stills
If you see the video, you see she was snubbed. She answered gracefully. What else do you want her to do? Sing and dance for you?
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #7
12. where is
the video?
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #12
41. There is no video
These stills are the best representation and they are much clearer than the initial single photograph that gave people the mistaken impression of a snub.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #7
13. Or let it go and believe what the man says? He said he didn't snub her
the person he turned to talk with said he didn't snub Clinton. Maybe Clinton should quit whinning about a missed photo-op and move on.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:27 AM
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9. More ramblings...
of a tortured soul.....
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:27 AM
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10. This is another stupid non-story and I don't know why Obama's supporters keep pushing it.
It makes anyone who brings it up look juvenile and does not reflect well on their candidate. Drop it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:33 AM
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17. "It makes anyone who brings it up look juvenile and does not reflect well on..." Hillary? n/t
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:34 AM
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19. It's the media. MSNBC just aired it again. eom
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:29 AM
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14. Why don't you show a little respect to John Edwards instead wasting your time repeating yourself
over and over about the evils of the Clintons.

Are you not aware that one of our bona fide contenders is dropping out of the race today? Is your MO only to breed more hatred towards the Clintons? If not, then why all the repetitive threads?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:30 AM
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15. Why do you keep posting lame attacks on Hillary?
I think you're obsessed with her....
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. Why does Hillary keep distorting the facts? n/t
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #16
24. Why do you keep deliberately
misrepresenting what she said? Why do you keep spinning? If she's no threat to Obama, why waste your time bashing her?

It's just ridicuous.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #24
28. "I reached out my hand in friendship and unity and my hand is still reaching out." n/t
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #15
61. She posts NOTHING but attacks on Democrats
I don't know why it's allowed here.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:34 AM
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18. you\'d try to spin away the sunlight if Obama told you it was dark outside
Everybody knows he snubbed her
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:37 AM
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22. Because it keeps things stupid and riles females up
Clinton-style politics at its worst and, some would say, most effective.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #22
31. So it's "stupid" for women to think that rude behavior is unacceptable?
:wow:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Its stupid if they LIE about it.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #33
39. "lie" ??? A picture's worth a thousand words. Hillary's hand/Obama's back.(eom)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:20 PM
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43. So Hillary's hand was extended out to OBAMA and KENNEDY just "intercepted" it? Please.
Give it a rest.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:27 PM
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47. Hillary was going down the line, as is customary. Obama saw her and turned his back.
Obama's true character was revealed.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:34 PM
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51. That's bull. She was NOT going down the line. She was reaching out to KENNEDY.
She lied. As usual.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. I forget, was Bill ever rude to Hillary?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #34
45. Probably so, and that's why I'm not voting for him for president.(eom)
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:21 PM
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44. yeah we females are so dumb and easily manipulated. they really shouldnt have given us the vote.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 12:21 PM by lionesspriyanka
:eyes:
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:41 AM
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25. Sick of it
She did everything she could to be 'noticed' including the bright red suit and now is playing the 'poor little woman/he doesn't like me' role. She alternates this with the 'my husband will take care of you meanies'. And she wants to be President? Nobody snubbed her. I am so over the Clintons' BS.:boring:
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:14 PM
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35. I can't even comment don't want to go negative. Best wishes and blessings to her.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:16 PM
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37. I wasn't there and I don't feel that I can make an assumption of the
behavior of either candidate from what I've seen. I don't know and, frankly, I don't care if it was or was not a snub. What I *do care* about is that the media is keeping this petty issue front and center instead of reporting on the important issues that should be determining who we support. The media has turned the primaries into the same kind of reporting that they do on Britney, Paris, Lindsay and the rest. They are treating it like some kind of circus played out for our entertainment and we deserve better than that.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:18 PM
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40. It's easier to lie when you don't think the cameras are on you - which they were.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:19 PM
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42. Why? Because Clinton's are habitual, serial LIARS...
...THAT'S why...
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:29 PM
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48. This thread reminds me of that show Happy Days
Remember that episode where Fonzie jumps the shark?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:33 PM
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50. Right, because Hillary's comment is supported by photos:
"I reached out my hand in friendship and unity and my hand is still reaching out."

Hillary's distortion!
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:48 PM
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53. You're spending a phenomenal amount of energy on THE stupidest thing I've ever seen on DU
But knock yourself out. Frankly I could care less who shook who's hand or not. This thread illustrates how absolutely asinine DU has gotten this primary season.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:53 PM
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55. Why is Hillary lying about what you claim is "THE stupidest thing I've ever seen on DU"? n/t
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:01 PM
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58. Probably because she eats babies for breakfast or something.
:eyes:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:42 PM
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52. Bingo. Obama really "jumped the shark" on this one.
:thumbsup:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:28 PM
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63. GIVE IT A REST, WILL YA?
Just because the media is not going to stop, do you have to keep flogging this?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:42 PM
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66. The media made her distort the facts? n/t
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:48 PM
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69. I'd put you on ignore but
half the page would disappear.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:06 PM
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71. "I'd put you on ignore" Why? Can't answer the question? n/t
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:11 PM
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72. You don't make any sense.
End of story. Full stop.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:15 PM
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73. "I reached out my hand in friendship and unity and my hand is still reaching out."



Not only didn't Hillary reach out to Obama, but it was Kennedy who reached his hand out to her.

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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:26 PM
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74. One more picture
would have shown both Hillary and Ted looking toward Obama with a WTF expression on their faces.

"Still reaching out" = symbolic, a hope that they can still patch it up. She showed that she held no grudge against Ted for his endorsement by going out of her way to shake his hand and smile, a gesture extremely important for party unity. There is no way in hell that she would not have shaken Obama's hand next. He was glued to Ted's hip until she scared him off by reaching out to Ted.

Did I spell it out enough for you?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:46 PM
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77. "'Still reaching out' = symbolic" Context:
You said: "There is no way in hell that she would not have shaken Obama's hand next."

Context, here is what she was asked and how she responded:

WALLACE:...Do you feel like you were snubbed you last night?

SEN. CLINTON: Well, Chris, I reached out my hand in friendship and unity and my hand is still reaching out. And I look forward to shaking his hand when I see him at the debate in California.


And again, the photos shows that Kennedy reached out to her, not the other way around.

So her response is BS!
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:55 PM
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78. Your brain processes ideas too literally.
She moved to their area. You can see that she was leaning around that lady with the scarf. Ted is not a dumb-dumb. He knew she was going to shake his hand. She was going out of her way to patch it up.

You really are a waste of time.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:26 PM
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80. She misrepresented what happened n/t
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:31 AM
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86. Ted saw her first and reached out to Hillary. It's obvious in
those pictures. Hillary was rubbing some guy's shoulder prior to shaking Ted's hand.

Who's really "a waste of time"?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:28 PM
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81. She is a pro when it comes to playing the victim
Never mind she always looked the other way at Bill's indiscretions, she can always look hurt on queue.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:01 PM
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82. She could not help herself. It is her nature.
The scorpion wants to cross a river, but does not see any way across.

He sees a frog sitting by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river, and asks the frog for help getting across the stream.

The frog responds “How do I know that if I try to help you, you won’t try to kill me?". "Because," the scorpion replies, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for I cannot swim!"

"Alright then...how do I know you won’t just wait till we get to the other side and then kill me?" said the frog. "Because once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!" replies the scorpion.

So the frog agrees to take the scorpion across the river.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back. "You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we will both die! Why did you do that?" The scorpion shrugged, “I could not help myself. It is my nature."

They then both sink into the muddy waters of the river and drown.


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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:02 PM
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83. Vintage Hillary.
All that is missing is her pulling some eye popping disgusting face for another keeper of a photo.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:20 PM
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84. ...
This is the type of shit that I can't stand about her. She LIED when she said she reached for his hand. Shes snubbed him many times before. Ok, its going to be really really really hard for me to vote for her in November. Theres nothing shes doing to win my vote. Shes gone down several points over the last month for me. I'm just speechless at this manipulator.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:40 PM
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85. "any differences between us as Democrats pale ..."
"in comparison to the differences between us and the Republicans, and I think we will have a unified Democratic Party... We will come together, not only as a party, but as a country in this election year, and I am confident that we are going to present a very strong case to the American people as to why Democrats should once again be in the White House"

I think that Obama would agree.

Let's please keep some perspective.
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