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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:47 PM
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I'm Hillary Clinton and I approve this message:
Hello, This is the Hillary Clinton for President Campaign.

Before you vote on Saturday, you should know that John Edwards voted for permanent trade relations with China. That’s right, John Edwards voted for the bill that cost thousands of jobs. Like the ones in the textile mills he talks about so much down here.

You should also know that John Edwards made nearly a half a million dollars working for a Wall Street investment fund. A fund that’s been profiting on foreclosing on the homes of families; including 100 homes right here in South Carolina. That’s according to The State newspaper. Here in South Carolina, Edwards says he’s one of us, but up on Wall Street he was just another one of them.

Can you trust John Edwards?

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Now let me ask, did Obama pull this kind of shit on Edwards?

And if not, how in the fuck could he endorse Clinton?
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:50 PM
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1. I for one can't remember Obama totally skewering Edwards like
this...anyone have any links?
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:51 PM
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2. I have a question: is what she said about Edwards true?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:54 PM
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3. Yes
but saying so is evidently taboo.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:55 PM
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6. nope, see below.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:01 PM
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9. The reason I ask is...
that whoever wins our primary is going to have to go up against the GOP campaign machine, which is the meanest, most effective election-winning machine in history.

So, one of the criteria I'm interested in for our candidate is, are they willing to send the other guy to the morgue? Frankly, as long as she wasn't lying, I see that kind of tactic as exactly the kind of thing that will be required to go up against the GOP machine.

And I'm a pollyanna. The GOP will employ the same tactics, *and* be willing to lie, cheat and steal votes too.

It's a shame that they have to fight each other first, before fighting the GOP. I was planning to vote for Edwards. But how else is the process supposed to play out?
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:54 PM
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4. When Edwards learned about the fund thing he pulled his money
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 12:56 PM by Bread and Circus
out and gave $100,000 to charity for Katrina.

That part wasn't on the message, obviously.

It's giving half the story, in order to mislead. So no, it's not truth.

It might be a bit of truthiness, if that's your thing.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:30 PM
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18. Are campaigns obligated
to present their opponent's spin?
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:55 PM
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5. That was a robo-call
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cubs4life Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:58 PM
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7. If we're going to talk about robocalls would you care to comment
on the nasty one down here in Georgia that skewered Rep. Lewis for being an African-American that endorsed Hillary Clinton?

My wonder where that came from. Hmmmm...
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:06 PM
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11. so you are saying Obama has not skewered Edwards like that...
also, if you want to talk seriously and make a charge like that provide the quote and context.
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cubs4life Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:15 PM
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15. The guy who ran the calls says he wasn't paid by anyone to make
the calls but as we know, this has been Obama's pattern all
along.  Have surrogates attack and play dumb.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/01/23/robocalls0123.html?cxntlid=inform

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:00 PM
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8. Here's Obama cheapshot oppo paper released on Edwards before Iowa
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Obama%20Oppo%20on%20JRE%20-%20On%20Labor%20in%20Iowa.pdf

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2007/12/dropping-oppo.html

But Saint Obama Would never ever do something like that.

:puke:

And after blasting Edwards in Iowa for 3rd party campaigning, Obama didn't say shit when he used 3rd party campaigning to do his dirty work in Nevada.

Edwards took issue with that.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:06 PM
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12. Edwards is wise. He'll make the right choice for America when the time comes
You can bank on it.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:14 PM
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14. a pandemic robocall is different than what I read in the article you
linked

"UPDATE: The Obama campaign says this document came because a local union requested information on the differences between him and his opponents."

I read the leaflet, the information is presented in a way this is not sensational nor was it distributed in a sensational way.

It's fair to have opposition research and let people know the facts.

The robocall which is factual in some ways it sensationalized and foisted "at the last minute".

This is different than a union asking for oppo research and I'm sure that union got oppo research from all the candidates.

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:22 PM
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17. You're fucking kidding right?
"the information is presented in a way this is not sensational nor was it distributed in a sensational way. "

Blaming Edwards for Maytag layoffs in Iowa is not sensationalized?


From the abc article

The cheapest shot ... that Edwards somehow has something to do with Whirlpool when the company was closing down Maytag plants in Iowa, Illinois, and Arkansas.

Why is that a cheap shot? Because the link is that Edwards worked for the controversial Fortress Hedge Fund while it owned stock in Whirlpool as it was shutting down those plants.


That statement is somehow ok while Hillary making the same tenuous (a cheapshot) connection with home foreclosures in South Carolina is beyond pale.

So both mention his China vote and both take cheapshots regarding his involvement with Fortress.

Politics ain't tiddlywinks but it slays me that Obama supporters are aghast at Hillary's tactics but when shown that Obama doing something similar it is somehow more than ok, its necessary.

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:04 PM
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10. Hillary is a snake. Now her campaign is beggin for his endorsement.
Another little tidbit to put in my "Hillary will do and say anything to get elected" box.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:09 PM
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13. So Obama releasing a similar nasty cheapshot is ok?
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cubs4life Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:16 PM
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16. Of course, do you need to ask? nt
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:49 PM
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19. i hate them all right now.
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