How are we going to beat McCain?

Seriously.

We're losing to mcCain since most here worked against the guy who was out polling him.

Now we have two to choose from who are both losing to McCain.

Any ideas how we are going to change hearts and minds to win the Election and depose the corporate Neocons?

The national strategy will probably be, "Do you really want another 4 years of Bush?"

The way you and I beat McCain is to get in touch with our local Democratic Party organization, slap some walking shoes on, and start volunteering.

Are you a precinct committeeperson, or the equivalent in your state?

the ones I have seen show Both Hillary and Obama losing to McCain. (today's rasmussen consolidation of all major polls)

Also, I would be excited to work for someone who represents my iews, but neither Hillary or Obama do. They are too much in bed with corporate interests. Neither of them will save my job. Why should I sweat for them? How are thy really going to be different than McCain?

It had been real close with Obama slightly ahead and Hillary slightly behind. Still too early to panic.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_United_States_presidential_election%2C_2008#General_election

But I haven't checked it in a couple days. As far as the latest polling goes, it jibes far enough out of how the polls have been trending I'm inclined to distrust it, until more polls come out showing a continuation of that trend.

Anyway, if you don't want to volunteer for Obama or Hillary, I can guarantee you that the Democrats running for local offices in your area would love to have you volunteer for them, plus, they are running for offices local enough that you could actually get them to listen to your concerns and give you feedback.

against McCain (if he's even going to be the nominee) hasn't even started yet.

I wouldn't worry much. She'll eat him for breakfast

How does we shot fish in barrel?

You need to start seeing the truth for it what it is!

"...Most here worked against...?"

Polls showing McCain leading?

Thanks.

Thank him for his service, pat him on the head and treat him like a doddering old fool.

The GOP hates McCain more than many DUers hate Hillary. It's a zero-sum gain. The end goal is to make another horse-race between to candidates the populace is ambivalent towards, at best. It's good for ratings, and good for corporations. In the end, we'll still "win" it so that the GOP can blame all the coming disasters on the change to Democratic leadership.

Seriously, think about it...the economic downturn and the ramifications of the trillion-dollar-war cannot be held in check, and they'll surface during the next presidency, no matter who is in the White House. The GOP simply cannot afford to have this coming disaster, compounded upon all the disaster they've already brought to the country, happen on their watch. The race will be "close" just to keep us all interested, but the White House will be ours. Er...theirs...er...well...the Democrat's...one way or another.

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Sorry to break it to you, but the fact that we're even talking about the possibility of a Rethug presidency shows how far into the toilet this party has fallen.

Even if we manage nominate the one remaining candidate with a "hope" of defeating McCain, the voting machines will make sure we get another Repug victory.

... taken out of context. We still gotta tag him with it.

aren't ahppy with the direction the country is going then a simple "A vote for McCain is a vote for more of the same."

We need to start emphasizing how similar the Bush and McCain policies really are. Want more war? McCain's your guy!

Mz Pip
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Does America want a 74 year old president in a few years? Do the pukes want a 74 year old as a candidate for reelection in 2012?

Otherwise, I have no idea.

Hey, maybe he'll be diagnosed with Alzheimer's soon.

On McCain's forte....which is the first thing that one must defeat, an opponent's strength; National Security, i.e., Iraq War, etc.

McCain’s position:
I’m am a big time War Hero. We were right to go into Iraq. Saddam gone is good. I know what to do to win this war. I wanted to send more troops at the beginning, and I urged for the surge when most were against it. I stood on my principles, and I was right. I want to leave Iraq, but we can leave victorious. It’s important to stay, because if not, there will be genocide, and Al Qaeda will be left to rule Iraq, and turn it into a terrorist state.

Clinton’s position:
Cannot argue about how we got into this war because her vote was the same as McCain's. She has also stated enough times that she wanted Saddam gone and that him being gone was good. She would be forced to move on to how the war was fought. She had a lot of problems with Rumsfeld and how the war was conducted, but she will only be in agreement with McCain, because he thinks that the war wasn’t fought correctly either. Hillary was against the surge, and if the surge is still being portrayed as having been successful, Hillary loses points, which weakens the rest of her argument to get us out of Iraq. McCain will look "resolute" next to her when judged by Repugs, Indies, moderates, and yes the Democrats who are also concerned about National Security.

McCain wins the Iraq War debate, even though most people want out...
He therefore gains the upper hand on National Security matters by defacto of having worn the uniform.

Obama’s Position:
Obama and forcefully argue that the War should never have been fought or authorized. He can point out that as much experience McCain is supposed to have with war, he voted for the debacle that will have ended up costing trillions and killed hundreds of thousands, while the congress was acting tone deaf as the public marched against such move.

Obama then can describe how the war was based on lies, and there were no WMD. That he, Obama, called it for what it was; a Dumb war, and those who supported it who should have known better. He would be speaking from a position of strength having stood against the conventional tide. He can claim the ultimate title of Maverick (McCain's strength), and point out that McCain is the one who supported the President's decision for an elective war, breaking the mold many years of Foreign policy wisdom.

Obama can stressed that well documented fact that there were no links between 9/11 and Iraq, but that McCain acted as though there were. He can then slides in the fact that our economy is now into a recession because we are being held hostage by the Chinese and other countries we have to borrow money from because of our forced expenditures in Iraq. And so, apart from everything else, Obama’s Iraq War opposition provides backbone to go into the economic platform that progressives demand, based on the reason that it is Republican stewardship that has gotten us where we are.

McCain will divert the economic issue by talking about Governmental pork....but Obama can point out that the war is the biggest porker, and roll out some stats. Obama can show without being forced to debate "what to do about Iraq now" on McCain's terms, and he can stress that he had superior judgment on one of the most important national security decision in our current times. He also can brings up McCain's statement of the possibility of our being in Iraq for 100 years.

That's when Obama can move, with an upper hand, on how to get out of Iraq. His argument will carry more credibility than McCain’s by this time...and Obama then proposes how we get out of Iraq.

Obama wins the Iraq War debate, and neutralizes McCain on McCain's strength.

There are other advantages Obama has over Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Nominee, especially against McCain.

1) First, the winds of change are with the Dems, and right now our base is MUCH more energized than theirs.
2) Second, these early general election national polls don't mean anything right now. There hasn't been a general election campaign yet.

3) You go on offense and hang the following around McCain's head like and anchor:

a) He'll stay in Iraq for 100 years or more.
b) He has voted with George Bush/Congressional R's 80-90% of the time.
c) He is a self-described "conservate Republican" and you run a campaign MOVEMENT against FAILED conservative Republicanism.
d) He campaigned for Bush in 2004, and you plaster the airwaves with every picture that was ever taken of him with Bush.
e) You target his Independent base with the above and the mantra "CHANGE, CHANGE, CHANGE". You convince the Indys that there is no way to get meaningful change with 4 more years of the R's in the White House.
f) You out-fundraise, out-organize, and out-work the R's like they have never seen before.
g) ALL wings of the Dem party (progressives and moderates) UNITE in the common cause of defeating McCain because you better believe the R's will be united in their relentless attacks against our candidate (especially if it's Hillary). (No more Goddamn infighting !!! Once we settle on a nominee, that's it. No petty whining. We accept the verdict and UNITE then work like hell to defeat McCain or whomever is the R nominee!! That's what it's all about. It's about winning the general election, NOT bemoaning who becomes the nominee and then sinking into childish, divisive rants. We accept our ticket, and we UNITE like never before because whomever we nominate with be one hell of a lot better than McCain or ANYONE else on their side.)

and unite to deliver the knockout punch to the mccain campaign!

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big john is older than dirt and will not make 8 years,,hillary will be 68-9 when she leaves... i have to go with someone that`s not going to be eligible for ss in a few years

A political two by four. "John McCain wants to keep us in Iraq for 100 years, I will remove our troops within one." < For starters.