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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:01 PM
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Proof positive that DU does not represent the real world.
Now I know most of us are well aware that we are different here, infinitely more engaged, hyperpartisan and for the most part rude as can be ;-)

But over and over in the months leading up to actual voting, I've heard a popular refrain from people who disliked Hillary here on DU. "No one I know likes her or will vote for her".

This was repeated dozens of times with quite a few DUers chiming in.

Well we're 6 elections in and some 1.5M Democrats have already voted for Hillary Clinton.

So next time someone says to you that no one they know likes or will vote for your candidate.

Just roll your eyes.

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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:03 PM
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1. Sometimes I feel lonely on this forum as a Clinton supporter, but not once I get in my car...
My entire neighborhood is lined with HIllary signs. Have yet to see on Obama or McCain sign around here.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:05 PM
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6. 1 year ago there was a handful of us.
Now there are quite a few of here.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:17 PM
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14. I still consider myself an Edwards guy through and through, but must admit
I see Hillary signs all over Iowa, including several in places that might be surprising such as farms deep into rural parts of the state, upscale neighborhoods...places you'd expect to be dominated by Republicans.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:21 PM
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17. Thanks bullwinkle, you just put a smile on my face.
:hug:
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:03 PM
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2. :)
:thumbsup:
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:03 PM
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3. Let's get into a postmodern debate
What is the nature of reality?

:)

Just playing. I now know five people who like her. One is my 10 year old daughter and she is pissed that I'm not voting for her.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:03 PM
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4. Ain't that the truth
I remember posting so many times to those clowns who made those claims that they need to get away from LaLa Land and get out once in a while.

:thumbsup:
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:05 PM
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5. As a friend of mine put it
The poll of "everyone I know" is apt to have a large margin of error.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:06 PM
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7. The poll of "everyone I know" is apt to have a large margin of error.
Excellent!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:08 PM
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8. How many have voted against Hillary? And....
how many of those who voted for her are doing so with their noses held?

Sorry if you believe we donlt live in the real world, but in my job and personal life I do deal with peopel from a variety of walks of life. yes I know some enthusiastic supporters of her, but most eitehr don;t like her or are extremely lukewarm.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:13 PM
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10. Why would anyone be holding their nose in a primary?
there are other choices, and it's not for the office. I suppose it's vaguely possible some people voted reluctantly for Hillary as being "the only one who can stop Obama" but geez how likely is that?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:16 PM
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13. Hillary had a gun held to their head! Silly.
:)
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:22 PM
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19. Hilarious how rational goes out the window when discussing the Clinton with a hater isn't it?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:30 PM
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28. The Clinton? Great term.
Perhaps I mispoke, in terms of voting in the primaries with their noses held.

A better way to put it was that they have an "If you can;t beat 'em, join 'em because we have to beat the GOP" attitude.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:16 PM
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12. I find her very polarizing, even among Dems
You either love her or you hate her. There's very little in between with the Clintons.

If she's the nominee, she will have to find a way to overcome that.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:31 PM
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31. despite it being talked about here all the time
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 05:32 PM by MonkeyFunk
that's not a quality that loses elections. George W. Bush was/is very polarizing. Ronald Reagan was very polarizing. Bill Clinton was very polarizing by '96.

And in our modern world, EVERY candidate will be polarizing. The game has gotten so tough, the attacks so hard, that by the time the election comes around, roughly 50% of the voters will hate the other candidate.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:50 PM
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35. I see it as an asset in many ways
Hillary is probably the most-vetted candidate in the last 40 years. She's been a public figure for 16+ years, and everybody seems to have already formed an opinion about her.

I think she's already fought the toughest battles of her career. President will seem like a walk in the park by comparison.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:39 PM
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45. Re: "everybody seems to have already formed an opinion about her"
Therein lies the rub. She'll have a lot of work to do to bring voters over, given her high negative numbers (which are less malleable than candidates with less name recognition).
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:37 PM
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44. Having now experienced a political campaign where my candidate ...
... is an opponent of the Clintons, I have some understanding for why the Right Wing developed an animosity for them. (Not that campaign tactics comes close to accounting for the level of talk radio-inspired hatred of the Clintons.)
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:21 PM
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18. Sorry you took my demolition of absolutist anecdotes personally.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:34 PM
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43. And I always took the context of the "wouldn't vote for her" comments ....
... to be in speaking with non-Democratic voters. I've never had a doubt that Hillary could get the Democratic nomination. The issue is whether she can pull enough Independent and Republican voters in to win the general election.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:12 PM
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9. RW and BO propaganda.
THEY need a GOOD smack in the head.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:14 PM
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11. I had this discussion with my son today. I whined to him that JE dropped out of the race today
and he asked me who I was going to support? I told him it would be Hillary. Son~~~rolls eyes~~~~ and says, "Mom, everyone I know HATES Hillary! You should support Obama!" Me...."And who is this everyone you know that hates Hillary?" Son..."My friends." :rofl: They're all 14 years old. :rofl: "14 years old and they all hate Hillary?" I asked him why his friend's hated Hillary and, of course, he didn't know. I told him the next time one of his buddies chimes in on Hillary, ask them why they hate her...I'd LOVE to know what the answer is.:rofl:

People hate her because they listen to Rush, Hannity and watch FAUX NEWS.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:21 PM
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16. Nafta, slavefare, warmongering
But thanks for calling me a fundie.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:30 PM
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29. Hey, if the shoes fits, wear it. You cannot deny the RW wackos HATE Hillary. It's a FACT. n/t
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:04 PM
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37. I don't deny that the RW wackos hate Hillary
But there are alot of angry progressives like myself who aren't going to be suckered into voting for more corporate dems. Hillary is just going to be the Pelosi of the executive branch. I don't know where Obama stands because his website looks so tempting but his speeches are pure fluff. Also, he speaks of working with repukes and I just can't take any more of that DLC BS.

In 2009, I want to see Dems play some old time hockey, not bi-partisanship. This is my idea of bi-partisanship with the people who have hurt this nation so badly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEr6bC7lO-o
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:23 PM
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21. That was a cute post
Kids are so influenced by adults whether it's good or bad. Anyway, I think the majority of posters are Obama supporters. It seems that way to me.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:28 PM
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26. Probably, but DU really doesn't represent the real world. Most people know a fraction
of what we know. They get their biased news from FAUX, Rush, Hannity, O'LIELLY, Tweety, Blitzer and their local newspaper. They really have no clue what's REALLY going on. Obama's popular? OKAY then! I'll vote for him!
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:18 PM
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15. You'd never know that Hillary's the frontrunner here.
It's like going through the looking glass.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:23 PM
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20. you are of course correct
no signs at all in San Diego except for Ron Paul.

We have been trying to get Obama signs locally but no supply is available.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:25 PM
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22. I saw an Obama sign on the way to work today in North Park.
I've see Edwards & Clinton signs in Ocean Beach but not many of either.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:25 PM
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23. Yes, the people here who don't pay attention to politics are the real world.
Thus since they are unaware, they fall for hype.

Yes, Hillary and Bill will win the election. But it will not be a sweet victory.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:25 PM
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24. I know someone who sorta' likes Hillary. But, he never votes.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:27 PM
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25. I'll roll my eyes if they say that that many MORE INFORMED voters picked Clinton!
If you look at forums of voters that reach beyond what the MSM spoonfeeds them, whether is here on DU, or Thom Hartman's show, etc. they tend to pick John Edwards in droves. That's because they understand what the corporate media doesn't want us to know about corporate power working against our interests in so many instances. To throw up some big volume of votes for Hillary that have been mass marketed to without adequate information being given to them is really pretty useless.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:30 PM
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27. It's not that I don't like her.
My wife and I feel that she should have divorced Bill years ago. I'm not going to specifically judge her on that, its not all her fault. The last two years of Bill's tenure was all monica all the time and ooh what about the children moments. I didn't really enjoy that political landscape. Will he be able to keep it in his pants or at least not get caught?

Mind you I think bill did alot good, and will vote for Hill if need be.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:33 PM
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32. Why is it any of your business if Hillary chose to stay married to a man she loves? Honestly. That
is such a personal choice for any woman to make.:(
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:39 PM
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34. I said I wouldnt specifically judge her for it.
But for me its about self respect, honestly.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:30 PM
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30. Another proud Hillary supporter here!
I put my Hillary sign in my yard about a month ago here in Atlanta.

And - she's is the city speaking this evening.

Go, Hillary, go!!
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:38 PM
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33. 250,000 of us went and voted for Hillary in Florida even though we knew
they wouldn't count us. It is interesting how one man can disenfranchise a whole state's population of Democratic voters.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:03 PM
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38. correction: 900,000 for Hillary
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:51 PM
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36. So true!
You know that was all a bunch of claptrap.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:27 AM
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39. DU resembles the freepers in that many express themselves in black
and white. There are no shades of gray, no nuances. One has to wonder how did complex people like Clinton, Gore and Kerry ever got to be our candidates.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:29 AM
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40. Recommended and yes, will do.
:eyes: ;)
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:31 AM
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41. No set represents the larger set it belongs to. /nt
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:32 AM
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42. Unlike many here, I don't pretend that the Democratic party is the "left wing" or liberal...
progressive, or whatever term you use, political party in the United States. Such an entity doesn't exist in this nation, we have the Dems, who are Center-Right, and the Repukes, who are Far-Right. I'm not surprised that so many people who are Democrats support either Hillary or Obama.
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