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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:15 PM
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Poll question: Which to you is more important in deciding which candidate to support?
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 05:22 PM by Maddy McCall
In determining which candidate you'll support in primary season, which of the two responses below most affect your decision?

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:16 PM
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1. Other: Policy.
:shrug:
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:17 PM
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3. agree with redqueen: policies NT
NT
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:19 PM
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5. POLICIES - Yes.
Anything less than that is just another episode of American Idol. :puke:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:22 PM
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7. Yep... count me in this crowd too! eom
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:22 PM
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8. I'll add that.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:23 PM
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10. Thanks!
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 05:23 PM by redqueen
Sorry but the other two really don't matter to me, nor do I think I have much idea of what other people think is "electable" or "charismatic", so they can't sway me one way or the other.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:38 PM
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Electability... the other two are just components of that
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:42 PM
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21. Disagree.
"Electability" is so vague and nebulous as to be meaningless.

Charisma is a personal (subjective) thing and like I said, I wouldn't dare try to guess what most other Americans find charismatic. They seem to like idiots a whole lot (Bush, Britney, bobblehead idiot pundits)... so I'm way out of touch with the majority of this country on that score.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:44 PM
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22. Then how'd you miss this
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:46 PM
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23. A bunch of bills from Illinois?
Sorry, but... huh?

I did notice his name next to a "Welfare to Work" bill...what's that about? Are you familiar with it?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:11 PM
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30. Legislation to meet Clinton's federal standards
If what he did in Illinois doesn't mean anything to you, it's because you're being willfully beligerent to it.

He also is the one who implemented a study to track welfare workers affected by Clinton's ending welfare legislation because he was concerned it was going to leave too many people suffering in the long run. It is now one of the key studies in the country on the consequences of welfare reform.

http://www.northwestern.edu/ipr/research/IFS.html

If I hadn't posted his Illinois record, then you'd tell me his Senate record wasn't sufficient. Like I said, willfully beligerent to his accomplishments and I've got no idea why.

You've been lied to.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:13 PM
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31. It's not that it doesn't mean anything... it's that you posted a meaningless link.
If you'd simply said "this thing he did (and described the thing)" it wouldn't seem so mindless.

That's definitely a feather in his cap.



And please with the assuming what I'd say... we've got enough "mind readers" around here as it is.


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Oh I've done that
and then I get told to post the link.

:crazy:

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:15 PM
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34. Hahahaha... of course.
Thanks, sandnsea...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:14 PM
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32. ...
:thumbsup:
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:16 PM
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2. if someone can inspire me, I think they're electable
I'm not easily inspired. If you can motivate me, you can motivate anyone.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:18 PM
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4. The person who inspires me also is the one
I believe is electable...Obama.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:00 PM
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28. The one who has made policy decisions I like...
...is also the one who inspires me and is the most electable....Obama. :toast:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:20 PM
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6. Neither is important to me
Being on the same page policy-wise is the most important to me. As a former theatre student, I couldn't care less about charisma or a candidate's ability to "inspire". I see all of that junk as, well, junk. Useless drivel for the weak and feeble minded. Pure intelligence inspires me, regardless of personality. Empathy for those among us who are less fortunate plays well with me too. The rest is just a dog and pony show, and quite frankly, there are far too many here who should be ashamed of themselves for falling for the hoopla and promoting a candidate because they "inspire" or "make me feel hope"... it's all bullshit.

Still, I'll be interested to see how your poll comes out. It's not something I can vote in, but I'm betting you get a TON of responses!
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:22 PM
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9. Given that I lost the candidate that inspired me today, I have to go with electability.
The problem is I don't know who is more electable.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:24 PM
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11. Clinton leads in 14 of the 19 States Feb. 5th primaries
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 05:25 PM by Uben
Obama leads in four (two only by two points) and they are tied in one.

Electability?


source:Survey USA
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:26 PM
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12. Electability in the primaries is completely insignificant to Electability in the general.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:29 PM
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14. Last time I looked
...you had to win the primary to even be in the GE.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:32 PM
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15. But winning the primary, which is voted on by Democrats ONLY...
does not translate to victory in the general.

So polls of probable Democratic voters in the primary doesn't have any bearing on the general election.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:37 PM
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17. Only closed primaries have DEMS only voting. Otherwise Unaffiliated voters can vote
in an open primary.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:29 PM
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13. Policy. "Electability" is mediaspeak for "STFU and do as we say"
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:36 PM
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16. None of the above
66% of polled Daily Kos readers say their candidate "gets it".

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/28/11286/702/981/427178
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:40 PM
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19. That wouldn't be "policy?" Or "ability to inspire?"
How does one know that a candidate "gets it" if policy or "ability to inspire" aren't part of "getting it?"
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:58 PM
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27. Excellent. I offer that "getting it" is different for everyone.
Getting it is the bigger frame, while Policy or inspiration & such, are as you say "part of "getting it?"", the tertiary frame.

I think Edwards gets it, based on his work with policy papers.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:38 PM
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18. Electability, without it nothing else matters
You could be the most perfect leader ever born on the planet, with a solution to each of our problems that will work to solve them without creating new problems, but if you can't win a general election because you're too polarizing then what's the point of nominating you? It would just be saying "well we want to make a statement, even though we know we'll get another neocon in the white house".
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:41 PM
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20. Electability. n/t
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 PM
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24. Leadership
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:48 PM
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25. Thanks for the change, Maddy!
I vote policies... exclusively, policies. I don't care about blow jobs, wives have their age, ugly hair or teeth...

bah...
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:51 PM
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26. Electability & Policy
I gave up being inspired by ANY politician a long time ago.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:02 PM
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29. Common decency. Sadly, a rare trait in politicians. And, usually fatal in elections.
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