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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:52 PM
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More Negative Mail From The Obama Campaign, Another Misleading Attack On Hillary
Yesterday, on NBC Today, Sen. Obama claimed that "throughout this campaign, the tone that I’ve set has been a positive one." Nevertheless, Sen. Obama is launching misleading attacks Hillary in another negative mail piece, being distributed in Connecticut:



Here's what the mailer doesn't tell you.

Sen. Clinton explained to Tim Russert, "I was fully briefed by the people who wrote . I was briefed by the people from, you know, the State Department, the CIA, the Department of Defense." Sen. John Kerry, a supporter of the Obama campaign, echoed these sentiments saying, "I didn’t read the full report because I got it from them straight."

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/few-senators-read-iraq-nie-report-2007-06-19.html


The Obama campaign also fails to mention that news outlets have reported that only a handful of senators chose to read the classified NIE, rather than rely on in person briefing by its authors.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0507/McCain_and_Dodd_respond_on_NIE.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A44837-2004Apr26?language=printer

A number of those who say they read the NIE, including Sens. Rockefeller (D-WV) and Feinstein (D-CA), also voted for the war authorization.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0507/McCain_and_Dodd_respond_on_NIE.html

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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:53 PM
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1. So much for a new kind of politics.
:eyes:
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:37 AM
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22. Every pro Obama post is Distortive
He's running the most negative, cut throat campaign that I've
seen in my lifetime.
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:54 PM
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2. shaddap
This is the new politics of hope and change. If you don't like it, take a hike.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:58 PM
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3. Facts are facts. She didn't read the report. Those that did, including kucinich voted NO on IWR.
He needs to hammer this home. He is permitted to and MUST get tough!

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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:59 PM
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4. sounds 100% factual to me
:shrug:
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:02 PM
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5. She made the (horribly) wrong choice. Maybe she shouldn't have trusted the people she trusted
If she can't tell who's telling the truth, what will she do in the oval office?

(After all, a lot of us around here knew better than to support IWR and we didn't have the report or the advice.)
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:15 AM
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16. Isn't that exactly what Obama said he'd do?
Hire 'good' people to advise him?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:22 AM
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27. Yea but he didnt promise to stop reading.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:39 AM
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32. and where has Hillary "promised" to stop reading?? mindless spouting off again on your part
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:03 PM
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6. would Obama have read the report?
I think he would have.
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:12 AM
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13. I doubt it
He doesn't seem very interested in doing his work in the Senate. He doesn't strike me as one with a strong work ethic.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:30 AM
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20. He would have voted present.
or uh...maybe...uh no, I think I will...uh...no wait a minute...no, yeah...it'll be just present.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:40 AM
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33. ha ha. yup.
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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:07 PM
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7. Sen. Obama's Speech In Denver, CO Will Contain Four Misleading Attacks On Hillary In One Sentence
Sen. Obama's Speech In Denver, CO Will Contain Four Misleading Attacks On Hillary In One Sentence

Just 24 hours after pledging to run a positive campaign, Senator Obama’s campaign released excerpts of a speech he will deliver this morning in Denver, CO that distorts Hillary’s record and lays down a number of misleading attacks. In fact, Sen. Obama will issue four misleading attacks on Hillary in a single sentence.



Let’s address Sen. Obama’s allegations one at a time.

First:
Sen. Obama begins by criticizing Hillary on Iraq. Sen. Obama does not mention that -- with the exception of Hillary's opposition to the promotion of Iraq war architect Gen. George Casey -- Sen. Obama and Hillary have identical voting records on the Iraq war.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5094

Second:
Sen. Obama then misrepresents Hillary’s position on Iran. In fact, Hillary was one of the earliest and staunchest opponents of Bush’s saber rattling on Iran, and spoke out on the issue back in February:



Sen. Obama missed the vote he is now using to attack Hillary. He issued a release 9 hours later and co-sponsored a similar bill in April. The bill was also supported by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), a staunch anti-war Bush critic and prominent Obama supporter.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=4223
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=4143


Third:
Sen. Obama then misrepresents Hillary’s position on diplomacy. Hillary criticized Sen. Obama for pre-committing to a personal meeting in his first year with "with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/23/debate.transcript/

She never said that a president should only meet with America's friends. She also promised vigorous diplomatic efforts with all countries, friend and foe.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5507

Fourth:
Sen. Obama accuses Hillary of changing her policy on torture due to ‘the politics of the moment.’ He couldn’t be more wrong. Hillary met with retired generals, talked with experienced military officers, and read reports commissioned by the Defense Intelligence Agency. She concluded that 'torture cannot be part of American policy, period.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/us/politics/05text-clinton.html?_r=4&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Sen. Obama laments this kind of politics in his book, Audacity of Hope



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:17 PM
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:21 AM
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26. Guess the gloves are off
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:35 PM
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9. accepting the briefing at face value
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 06:38 PM by madrchsod
and the bush government would`t lie to their face? how many times does it take to be lied to before they realize that they have been.

jesus christ in the real world these people would have been fired but in washington dc lying is standard operating procedure

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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:37 PM
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10. Un-debunkable
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:37 PM
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11. Keep it coming "uniter"!!!!!
The more you piss on her, the more it ticks off people!!!!!!!!
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johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:08 PM
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12. shame on anybody
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 08:09 PM by johnnydrama
who would vote for the IWR just based on what Bush toadies briefed them on.

I trusted George W Bush is not really a great excuse for voting for something.
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:14 AM
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14. Too bad Hillary trusted the President to keep his word.
I guess she got that expectation from the Clinton Admin. :/
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:02 AM
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24. There was a time, you know
that people could take the President at his word. That was before *ush.
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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:14 AM
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15. Fact checking anti fact checking on HRC fact check on Obama statements
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:16 AM
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18. Do you know how I can get a job with the HRC campaign too?
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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:34 AM
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21. Thanks...But I’m in no way, shape or form associated with the HRC campaign
:-)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:42 AM
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34. then go for it--and learn while you are it.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:16 AM
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17. all the "I was briefed" bullshit aside, Hillary made the WRONG
call and at the time was on the bandwagon to "strongarm" Saddam.

Oh....but guess who was prescient enough to predict what happened.... Obama. Witness his 10.26.2002 speech. It's a prophecy.

Yeah and Hillary didn't read the NIE, it's shameful.

Like many others she wagered it would be a cakewalk. She rolled the dice with other people's lives, and lost.
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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:24 AM
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28. Only 22 senators read the NIE & Only Biden of the presidential candidates read it
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 02:25 AM by agdlp
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/few-senators-read-iraq-nie-report-2007-06-19.html

Only a handful of senators outside the Intelligence Committee say they read the full 92-page National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq’s ability to attack the U.S. before voting to go to war, according to a survey conducted by The Hill.

The low interest in the classified estimate, or NIE, could offer valuable cover to the five senators seeking the presidency who acknowledged during recent debates that they did not read the complete document before the pivotal Iraq vote.

The Hill contacted all 69 sitting senators who voted on the war authorization in the wee hours of Oct. 11, 2002, as well as former senators who did so.

Twenty-two senators told The Hill that they read the document before the vote. The offices of 38 senators said they had not read the full report or could not recall, while six senators did not comment. Nine sitting senators and 21 former senators did not return repeated requests for comment (see chart).

Despite not reading the assessment, many senators defended their preparation to examine the administration's ultimately debunked portrayal of Iraqi weapons capability.

“A lot of people on both sides of the aisle are getting whacked around with this,” said former Sen. Bob Smith (R-N.H.), who voted for authorizing war but did not read the full report. “You have to understand that the briefings are so thorough that it’s common for members not to read entire reports.”

Similarly, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee who voted in favor of the invasion, said, “I read the summary, but I didn’t read the full report because I got it from them straight,” referring to personal briefings he had with senior administration officials.

Of the 22 senators who reported reading the full NIE, eight are Republicans and 14 are Democrats. All but one Democrat on the 17-person Intelligence Committee in 2002 recalled reading the NIE: Former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) told a campaign-trail audience earlier this month that he had, but later recanted. Edwards voted to authorize war.

Critics of the war suggest that more senators may have voted against the war authorization had they had read the full report.

Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy, one of the senators who read the report and a staunch critic of the war, said the findings were “enough to have me vote against going to war in Iraq.”

But others said that the NIE report had enough intelligence to back the administration’s vehement claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in his possession.

“I thought he had WMD based on the NIE report of 2002,” said Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), who read the report and sat on the Intelligence panel.

One Republican on the Intelligence panel in 2002, James Inhofe (Okla.), acknowledged not reading the full NIE and another GOP member of the committee, Richard Lugar (Ind.), said he could not recall whether he read the assessment, which was released 10 days before the war vote. Another Intelligence member in 2002, White House hopeful and former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.), did not respond to requests for comment on the NIE.

Multiple senators recalled reading staff memos prepared on the case for the war and attending top-secret briefings with then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and George Tenet, who at the time was director of the CIA.

Those who did not read the intelligence — which was available to all members, as well as aides with security clearances — often pointed out that they were not alone.

“Well, I don’t think anybody read the entire report; everybody gets summaries of it,” said Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), who voted to authorize war. “But I read certain parts of it that I thought were the most important.”

Even some who did not read the full report say the briefings were enough to leave them unconvinced.

“After all the briefings, I simply was not convinced that the Iraqi weapons program posed an imminent threat to our country,” said Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), who viewed a draft copy during a closed hearing weeks before the vote.

“At the time, I knew it was a close call,” said Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) of the war vote.

Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) is the only 2008 presidential hopeful who contends he read the NIE before casting his vote in support of authorizing war.

Though former Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fla.), then the Intelligence chairman, pushed for the document’s release to all senators in the run-up to war, the NIE’s much-maligned reliance on single sources — often biased in favor of invasion — makes it a dubious indicator for some.

"I don’t think it's fair to call it a litmus test and say people wouldn’t be qualified to be president of the United States if they didn’t read this particular document,” said one senior congressional intelligence staffer, now off the Hill. “People gave the benefit of the doubt, and it turned out they were skewing things."

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), who also sat on the Intelligence panel and voted for the war, said there “was a little bit of partisanship in the report, which really bothered me.”

Whether the number of senators who read the document can ever be known is also in dispute. The Washington Post reported in 2004 that only six senators had read the NIE, citing logs that senators were required to sign, but the Intelligence panel now says no such proof exists.

“There is no record, committee or otherwise, of who read the NIE,” said Wendy Morigi, spokeswoman for Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), now Intelligence Committee chairman, who read the NIE before the pivotal fall vote of 2002.

When Rockefeller referred to the half-dozen number during a 2005 Fox News interview, Morigi added, he was citing the Post’s report. Spokeswomen for Intelligence vice chairman Christopher Bond (R-Mo.) and Carl Levin (D-Mich.) also said that the number of senators who read it is unknowable.

But the former senior congressional intelligence staffer, who asked to comment anonymously due to the sensitivity of the subject, said that knowledgeable aides can estimate the approximate number of senators reading the NIE.

"It’s probably pretty hard to say with 100 percent certainty how many read it,” the senior staffer said. “You can say with 100 percent certainty that it’s less than 10.”
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:25 AM
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19. another cheap from obama
let's face it

even if anyone *had* read the actual intelligence reports, as opposed to hearing their content from those who had authored them, it wouldn't have mattered much

Bush was hell bent on invading Iraq and did enough arm twisting of the intelligence agencies that they cowed and spun things the way bush wanted

just take Powell and the aluminum tubes and yellow cake

even formerly decent individuals cowed

Bush wanted to present his twisted, concocted bs "evidence" to congress to con congress and the american people

so Hillary is totally exhonerated

for Obama to make those statements is nasty and dishonest

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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 01:39 AM
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23. She "pressed the wrong button" Barry, give her a break
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:49 AM
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35. The award for pressing wrong vote buttons goes to Obama
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Knox Harrington Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:15 AM
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25. Why are people on here so sure
that Hillary made the wrong choice? Personally, I am glad she never apologized for it.

People, deny it all you want, but the surge IS working. And I a have a pretty good feeling that history will prove that Hillary made the right choice on Iraq. At the very least, at least she had the guts to authorize the war. While Obama was whining "can't we all please just get along" with Saddam.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:25 AM
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29. AP has put last two pieces--both with headlines where Obama disses Hillary--from
his denver speech yesterday.

He is going negitive
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:37 AM
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30. Serious Question.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:37 AM
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31. It is TRUE
She did not read the report. He is not attacking her. He is pointing out the truth.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:50 AM
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36. Its clear from the IP that Obama will do anything to win:


.....Yesterday, on NBC Today, Sen. Obama claimed that "throughout this campaign, the tone that I’ve set has been a positive one." Nevertheless, Sen. Obama is launching misleading attacks Hillary in another negative mail piece, being distributed in Connecticut:
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