Ok I really liked H.Clinton tonight but why...

is is that when Gore waxed poetically about policy he was a bore but when she does it she's a savvy wonk?

This is a genuine question.

Can anyone illuminate.

I thought both Obama and Clinton did well for themselves in the debate.

I'm just kinda flummoxed that Gore was perceived as a bore when I loved that guy...

help me!!!

Because she's passionate about it. I swear her face lights up the most when she's digging into wonky details.

So was Carter.

help a brotha out!!

She's good at delivery. She is not a boring speaker.

It's the policy and agenda. Remember Newt used powerful words like they used in Nazi Germany.

Gore himself a huge disservice.

Frankly, I used to get goosebumps hearing him talk policy, and I feel the same about Sen. Clinton. I get goosebumps listening to her spell out her plans and proposals.

If Sen. Clinton wins the nomination, it will be incumbent upon all of us, to immediately stand up to the MSM and call B.S. on their attempt to paint her as a bore because she's a policy wonk. They will definitely do it, and it will be up to us to say nonsense.

negated him just like they have done to Kucinich and Edwards. We must definitely STOP this MSM manipulation, although strangely enough, we are falling into line, aren't we?

he raised his voice, I just felt so sorry ... but he wasn't modulating. He's gotten better since.

...unconnected from reality.

intelligence is all the rage now.

The media was notorious for hating Al Gore. Completely and utterly hated that man.

They want to make this perception of Hillary being tied with Obama.

Gore had a tendency to talk like a kindergarten teacher. Hillary can be all over the map, but tonight she had an easy tone and cohesive points, even though I disagreed with a lot of them. A lot of people can't listen to Kerry either, and I find his explanation of policy to be the most in-depth and brilliantly presented of anybody I've ever listened to. So I guess there is some personal comfort with style too.

...but did she convince people?

That whimp image for Gore was anti-media propagenda by the RW. Now they have candidates (who are globalists) and they love em.

What they promise us is not what they will do. Their history has proved that to be true.

Really.

but he's not as glib. Hillary can formulate good answers to complex questions off the top of her head quickly. Gore and Obama for that matter, have to gather themselves a bit, but they often wind up saying more interesting things. Per the OP, Gore often fell into the trap of using Washington jargon in these forums, which gave him the "bore" rep, and which is something Obama very consciously tries to avoid.

DC frat club policies.

wear earth tones? :shrug:

People are falling in love with her.

I thought his best speech of the campaign was his final one conceding the presidency to Bush.

If he was that guy during the campaign, Bush won't have stood a chance.

If he talked like that during the campaign it never would have been close.

Billy Daley is the brother of Mayor Daley from Chicago. He helped Clinton write NAFTA.

Did they want Gore to lose? When they (Neo Cons) saw Gore actually won (even with Lieberman on the ticket) they found a way to get out of the election before the Electoral College Certification using the Supremes, etc.? Gore said he didn't want to divide the country over the Florida fraud so he gave the election to Bush. Ya give it to a crook and NAZI was much better for us.

I don't want to say if the country would have been better off under Gore but it sure wasn't under Bush. I knew that before Bush was "selected" for President. He was a BUSH for gods sake. They are a world crime family yet Congress won't impeach. So our Congress must be part of that gang or fearful of it.

Read: The Iran Contra scandal-The Conspirators by Al Martin.

Hillary in 08!

Gore looked like he was lecturing you, Hillary looked like she was conversing with you.

Hillary is more animated, so it comes off better.

In politics, delivery is as important as content.

...and seeing is believing.

He would have been a great President though.

we are both still angry about it.

occurred in our democracy right there before our eyes like it was a soap opera. Outrageous stuff.

and she laced her zingers at Bush with knowing smiles at the audiance. Those are crowd pleasing moments that help offset her wonkiness. Gore has gotten much better at those crowd pleasing aspects also since 2000.

And uses language everyone can understand. She actually explains her position in a coherent way & goes from general to more specific - almost like how a teacher introduces new concepts to the class. Gore sometimes got bogged down in "intellectualese" & introduced details w/o giving people a context to understand them (lockbox? huh?) Obama sort of does that too - he kept mentioning random details of his plans w/o really putting them in context, until it started to become too confusing & complicted. I still don't understand what his health care plan is. So it's interesting to listen to listen to Clinton's wonkishness, because she leads the audience along so that they can understand it too. Whereas Gore 2000 & Kerry sometimes left the audience bored & confused.

like you saw tonight. Wound a little too tight in the debates. Don't get me wrong, I thought he beat Bush myself, but I saw that as molehill of a weakness that some folks latched onto and blew up into a mountain.

Give me a break.

I've had some psychology classes in college and can't understand this type analysis or term. Is this a Oprah phrase...look into your self, blah, blah, blah?

Gore is who he is. Or "is" another vague definition left from Clinton era? It is an Orwellian World after all.

Take it as you will.

I know that people are sensitive to any criticism of Gore here, sorry if I touched a rail or something.

His picking Lieberman for VP was a stupid act. His giving the election to Bush to keep "unity" still angers me.

Many speeches aren't self written by most the candidates so I don't really know what his goals were. I just didn't like his way of losing when he was supposed to try to win. It looked pretty contrived to me especially when he has so much passion today when he speaks. Where was that when he ran against Bush?

Seems like they have the same feeling toward Hillary most of the time.

let's hope the "more likable" guy doesn't win this time.