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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:24 PM
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Regarding Poverty (I'm kinda pissed off.)
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 03:27 PM by redqueen
Both candidates mentioned the word "poverty" ONCE... ONE TIME... at the start of the debate last night... while talking about John!

:banghead:

:cry:

Please... anyone who watched it... please tell me that if I just use a different search term, I'll find an instance of them discussing it...
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:26 PM
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1. Cross-over means "we" must work with people who assume Poverty is your Fault. nt
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:26 PM
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2. You are correct.
We also noticed that.
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Mother Of Four Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:27 PM
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3.  /comfort
:hug:

You're right honey, they only mentioned it once when they were trying to get John's Endorsement.

It's amazing isn't it, how they tried to drum him out...yet now want his support?
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:27 PM
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4. What do you expect?
They both had very limited segments of time, and had to condense both thoughts and words as effectively as possible to answer the debate questions.

I'd suggest you look up their respective policy statements on the subject, as well as search speeches where they didn't have the constraints of the debate format.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:28 PM
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5. Statements are nice and all. But these are the voiceless... the forgotten...
right here in our own oh-so-prosperous nation.

The issue deserves more than a passing mention at the start.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:30 PM
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7. I'm sorry they couldn't structure this debate to suit you.
Both have done wonderful work for the voiceless and the forgotten in our oh-so-prosperous nation and have spoken about it in other venues.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:31 PM
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8. LOL
"structure the debate"

You're funny!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:32 PM
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11. OMG!!!!! Way to fuck the poor folk!
Then you wonder why I said I won't vote for either?

With your hostility?

FUCK THIS SHIT!

:nuke:
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:38 PM
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15. Hostility?
Because a particular subject doesn't get the emphasis you want in each and every venue does not mean that the candidate has not given it full weight. My pointing that out and being impatient with critics is not "hostility."

There are plenty of words and actions from these two candidates that address the issues of poverty in our country. Start _here_ and _here_, then tell me how they "fuck the poor folk."
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:12 PM
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26. Yes, all we poor folk do is demand and whine and complain.
IN between the dying, of course.

Grow a heart.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:30 PM
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6. I so noticed that too.
No candidate other than Edwards has addressed the problems of this silent demographic, who really have no say in their destiny. This is especially true of the homeless who don't have an address to register in to vote, nor money to donate to candidates. So it seems the present two candidates don't like acknowledge that this problem exists. As far as the Republican candidates are concerned, all they have to do is blame the victim for their personal anguish and move on.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:31 PM
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9. Have I told you lately that I love you?
:loveya:

Thanks.... you don't know how much it means to me to have someone in my corner!

Where did my party go???

:cry:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:31 PM
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10. Chasing after BoBo's, where else?
*sigh*
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:34 PM
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12. In all fairness, Redqueen, the issue is addressed in the health care
proposals of each candidate and in their talk about unfair taxation.

But also, in fairness, I see what you mean. The candidates don't talk about the poor because they think they won't be seen by the "middle class" as fair to them. As the saying goes, however, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating and we'll see how this plays out in programs designed to help the poor and middle class. IMHO, ANY Dem is better than ANY Repub.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:37 PM
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14. I agree that ANY dem is better than ANY repub...
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 03:38 PM by redqueen
But I don't know that I believe that they don't talk about it because the electorate is turned off by it.

If that's true... Christ Almighty... we're a nation controlled by spoiled fucking ignorant-ass greedy selfish brats. :puke:
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:55 PM
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23. Oh if I only had a dollar for every middle class whiner who has pissed and moaned
about how the poor have so much assistance and they, the poor dears, don't get in on the deal. I even saw a column about this recently: a woman wrote that she has two jobs and can't afford health care but she's not poor. Her daughter tells her that so and so in her class at college has a scholarship based on need, and her family has sect. 8 housing, food stamps, Medicaid and even free diapers from our local Diaper Bank!

Not ONE mention about how the tax breaks for the wealthiest are ripping them off, oh no! Just "the poor get everything free" routine! What do you bet that woman is voting Republican?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:02 PM
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24. Argh... so true...
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 04:03 PM by redqueen
ARGH!
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:47 PM
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19. they had a huge audience last night
and that was the place to spend more time on poverty instead of the me me, I'm did this I'm so great, or as someone suggested upline to go to their websites and plans - bollocks - real time words are needed!.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:37 PM
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13. that is an issue that set Edwards apart.
It is not a big priority now I guess. Sad.

I hope Clinton offers him a prominent role. Or Obama if he wins, for that matter.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 04:11 PM
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25. OR, how's this... YOU could DEMAND that your candidate get with the poverty program!
What a concept, eh?

Start demanding what you want of your candidate, instead of wishing.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:40 PM
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16. The $130 million candidates know where their bread is buttered
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:40 PM
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17. Almost everyone in America thinks they are middle class
Itd be like pandering to the deaf and dumb.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:49 PM
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20. Oh I beg to differ!
No, pandering to the deaf and dumb is not saying anything about it because all these bourgeois fucking dumbshits think they're middle class.

:banghead:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:41 PM
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18. Obama has a CLEAR Plan for Combatting Poverty. Link Here ====>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4330792
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:50 PM
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21. I know... I've checked his site out...
*sigh*

I guess I'm just having a hard time facing the reality that people are really so dead-set against helping anyone but themselves.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 03:50 PM
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22. how many of last nights viewers will find that link....
they should have spent more time talking about it last night instead of expecting people to dig into their plans on the net.
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