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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 08:55 PM
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Was Feingold right to vote against the Levin Amendment?
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=5666

Hillary on the Levin Amendment
2/1/2008 2:42:09 PM

Today, Sen. Obama criticized Hillary for voting against the 2002 Levin amendment to the Iraq war resolution, claiming "the Levin Amendment simply suggested we should allow the inspectors to act."

Actually, that's not an accurate description of the provision. The Levin amendment specifically said that the "President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States" but only "pursuant to a resolution of the United Nation Security Counsel." This caused concern among many Senators, including staunchly anti-war Senators like Russ Feingold:

"Mr. FEINGOLD. Mr. President, I rise to briefly comment on Senator Levin's alternative proposal relating to Iraq. Some of my colleagues for whom I have tremendous respect have tried to address the fact that the administration's proposal is simply not good enough by emphasizing the desirability of a United Nations resolution, thus transforming this dangerous unilateral proposal into an internationally sanctioned multilateral mission. But while I recognize that international support is a crucial ingredient in any recipe for addressing the weapons of mass destruction threat in Iraq without undercutting the fight against terrorism, I will not and cannot support any effort to give the United Nations Security Council Congress's proxy in deciding whether or not to send American men and women into combat in Iraq. No Security Council vote can answer my questions about plans for securing WMD or American responsibilities in the wake of an invasion of Iraq. It is for this reason that I must oppose the proposal of the distinguished Senator from Michigan."

The language of the Levin Amendment would have made it the law of the land that the President could not act without Security Council approval. That is a limitation on national sovereignty which Senator Clinton was unprepared to accept as a matter of principle, and in light of the situation we faced in 1999 when NATO acted to prevent a genocide in Kosovo without the approval of the Security Council, which was deadlocked. Defenders of the provision note that the Levin amendment said the matter could be referred back to Congress if the Security Council did not act. But that was a meaningless provision. Congress can always pass another law to supersede a previous one.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:00 PM
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1. The smell of despiration. She voted for the IWR because it was politically expedient...nothing more
Clinton's finger is permanently chapped from keeping it in the political winds. The only backbone she has had in her Senatorial career has been provided by polling data suggesting the "safe choice."

VOTING OTHER in the general if she's the Dem candidate...me and MILLIONS of other voters who will not buy the hype and settle for a DINO/DLC pro-corporatist do-nothing.

J
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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:02 PM
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2. I see that you avoided the OP main question...
typical
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:06 PM
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4. Feingold is not running for President. Assclown.
The OP is nothing more than a deflection from the central issue of her vote against the Levin Amendment. It wouldn't matter if Shit Sandwich Liberal voted against it. The point is SHE voted against it and SHE is running to be our Dem candidate in the general election.

J
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:10 PM
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7. bug off--I do not appreciate being called an a***
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:17 PM by rodeodance
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:06 PM
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3. what are going off the IP question-leave your OBSESSION out of this.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:19 PM
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13. so, you will give your votes to a repug? shameful
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:49 PM
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24. No. I'm just not willing to settle for DINOs.
J
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:09 PM
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5. see below--wasn't this the same explanation that Hillary gave?


I will not and cannot support any effort to give the United Nations Security Council Congress's proxy in deciding whether or not to send American men and women into combat in Iraq. No Security Council vote can answer my questions about plans for securing WMD or American responsibilities in the wake of an invasion of Iraq. It is for this reason that I must oppose the proposal of the distinguished Senator from Michigan."
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:09 PM
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6. Yes.
And here's Russ's official statement on it:

http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/statements/07/09/20070921.htm
September 21, 2007

??I supported the Levin-Reed amendment today because although it didn’t go as far as I would like, it would have taken a significant step towards ending the President’s disastrous Iraq policy. I am concerned that the amendment’s exceptions were overly broad and could have been exploited to keep a significant number of troops in Iraq for an extended period of time. But I was pleased that the amendment included a binding start and end date to the redeployment of our troops from Iraq, something I first proposed over a year ago. It is disappointing that the Senate once again failed to act on the will of the American people and end the President’s disastrous Iraq policy.”


Feingold has been working very hard to end this war. I trust his judgement on this.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:11 PM
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8. thanks for the refs I willkeep it.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:15 PM
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9. Here's a timeline of his efforts to get out of Iraq. He supported Levin-Reed Amendment
Edited on Fri Feb-01-08 09:19 PM by PeaceNikki
http://www.feingold.senate.gov/issues_timeline.html

133 seperate actions listed there.

I wish he were running :(

Video of his remarks In Support of the Levin-Reed Amendment to Redeploy U.S. Troops from Iraq by April 2008
http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/statements/07/07/20070712.htm
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:16 PM
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10. he is my senator, i know most but hard to keep track of all. thanks
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:19 PM
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12. Mine, too.
Anxiously awaiting more listening sessions. I missed the 2 last weekend :(

I highly recommend this book: http://www.amazon.com/Feingold-Democratic-Sanford-D-Horwitt/dp/141653492X/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201538159&sr=8-1



:thumbsup:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:20 PM
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14. well a grand handshake to a fella cheezehead:-)
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:24 PM
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16. Crimeny! You-betcha!
:toast:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:17 PM
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11. seems like Obama needs some knowledge before he spouts off.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:22 PM
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15. Uh, John kerry also voted against the Levin Amendment. See who else.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:29 PM
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17. Why was Obama whinning about Hil voting against?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:58 PM
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22. Many of those Senators have admitted that vote was a mistake.
Lots of Senators put their political careers ahead of what was best for the country. Especially considering Bush "promised" that he would be a good boy and attempt diplomacy.

That doesn't make their lack of foresight acceptable.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:40 PM
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18. anything feingold does is a ok with me
he`s the only senator that has consistently done the right thing. i`m still disappointed that he did`t run.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:42 PM
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19. now he would be a very good vp for someone !
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:44 PM
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20. This is my hope, too.
Pipe-dream, maybe - but I would campaign every waking moment for any ticket bearing his name.

When he was 7 he stated that he will be the 1st Jewish president. I dream of the day.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 09:52 PM
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21. They apparently weren't aware of Section 3 of the Levin Amendment.
This is the final clause of Section 3:

(4) will not adjourn sine die this year and will return to session at any time before the next Congress convenes to consider promptly proposals relative to Iraq if in the judgment of the President the United Nations Security Council fails to adopt or enforce the resolution described in paragraph (2).


This says that Congress maintained the right to approve the use of force in Iraq, should the United Nations disagree with the request to do so.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:21 PM
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23. She probably didn't read that clause...just like she failed to read the pre-war intelligence report.
No time to read deeply when you're too busy sucking up to corporations to fund your power hungry aspirations.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 10:59 PM
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25. This needs to be sent to Olbermann - he was out to get her tonite.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:08 PM
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26. k
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