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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:37 PM
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Politico: "two tracking polls seem to dampen the Obama national surge storyline"
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 06:38 PM by ruggerson
With links to today's Gallup and Rasmussen tracking showing Hillary's post-debate surge.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Remainders_Loose_nukes.html
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REDFISHBLUEFISH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:37 PM
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1. Hillary 08!
Time for EFFECTIVE CHANGE!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:59 PM
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20. I wish we stood a chance of seeing Clinton / Boxer. nt
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:38 PM
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2. I urge people not to judge based on one day
If Hillary gains momentum over the next 3 days, then I'll think she stifled Obama's momentum.

But there are too many variables in one day.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:44 PM
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8. but you must admit there has to be a starting point and seems
the starting point began after the debate.....
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:48 PM
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11. Yes, I do agree
But I'll need to see more data in the upcoming days.

But I do agree that this could be the starting point for new momentum for Hillary.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:40 PM
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3. Politico and Ben Smith...is he making another sure fire prediction?
And, when he's wrong he explains he was speaking from his "ass"umptions.

What a worthless online rag, as evidenced by the tools they had asking questions at the debate the other night. :eyes:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:43 PM
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6. I actually find he gives Obama a lot of positive press
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:53 PM
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14. I'm just talking about his so called "predictions" of how things will march out in the primaries.
He's not very reliable.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:43 PM
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4. Some of his "support" is actually McCain's and Huckabee's partisans.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 06:45 PM by patrice
To cross-over must mean something, don't you think? What else could explain their bad manners, not very convincing for your supposed candidate. I think O has had more than his share of trolls from the start.

I sure hope the Kids show up for the GE!
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:44 PM
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7. One thing I fear the most are those "open" primaries. Lots of trickery
happens there. People vote for the other sides perceived weakest candidate, etc.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:53 PM
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13. There are many people who actually study the demographics and act accordingly for their network of
friends and business associates.

We NEED Quality Circles for grassroots Activism.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:43 PM
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5. We will know more after the Caroline, Michelle, Oprah appearance
in CA and after the Opinion endorsement sinks in with Latinos. And we will know for sure after Tuesday. Pulling for Hillary all the way.
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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:47 PM
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9. So you think voters will decide upon celebs endorsements?
?
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:47 PM
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10. Still think Latinos will go for Hillary. Look at early indicator: Florida
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:54 PM
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15. Latino vote in Fla very different from latino vote elsewhere
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:03 PM
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21. Latino vote in Florida is not anything it used to be. Both NV and FL went heavilly for Hillary-Link:
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 07:04 PM by demo dutch
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/local/stories/DN-olivera_02met.ART.North.Edition1.4572321.html

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Latino caucusgoers and primary voters in Nevada and Florida voted almost 3-to-1 for Mrs. Clinton. A similar pattern is expected to emerge Tuesday, when 22 states hold Democratic primaries or caucuses.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:50 PM
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12. Now, wasn't POLITICO spending ALL their time this week touting the GOBAMA stuff?
And now they flip flop?

I swear, these guys, who are funded by the rightwing, are all over the map so they can later cut and paste and claim that they were so "accurate."

Or perhaps they're looking at the polling numbers and realizing that their past spin wasn't enough to turn the tide.

They aren't too subtle, at any rate.

And they stopped helping Obama with that NUKE link...this ain't good:

A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.

Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate.

“Senator Obama’s staff was sending us copies of the bill to review, and we could see it weakening with each successive draft,” said Joe Cosgrove, a park district director in Will County, Ill., where low-level radioactive runoff had turned up in groundwater. “The teeth were just taken out of it.”

The history of the bill shows Mr. Obama navigating a home-state controversy that pitted two important constituencies against each other and tested his skills as a legislative infighter. On one side were neighbors of several nuclear plants upset that low-level radioactive leaks had gone unreported for years; on the other was Exelon, the country’s largest nuclear plant operator and one of Mr. Obama’s largest sources of campaign money.

Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?_r=3&ei=5088&en=f2cec53f8b5de3bc&ex=1359694800&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=login
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:56 PM
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18. Ben Smith is Anti Obama
He posted on the Saturday after Obama's convincing Iowa win that there was no bounce whatsoever for Obama in New Hampshire. Polls would soon prove him FLAT out wrong. He either hates Obama or is pro-Hillary but he is definitely not unbiased.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:12 PM
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22. Well, someone was cheering the shit out of him on that idiotic website all week.
I eschew it as a source and look at ANYTHING they say with a jaundiced eye, because I know who owns them.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:55 PM
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16. Real Politics is/are essentially Local. nt
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:55 PM
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17. It looks like most of that came from people who finally figured out that Edwards is out of the race
Edwards dropped 4 points and Hillary went up 4. Obama stayed the same.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 06:58 PM
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19. I think Hillary is a slightly better debater than Obama,
but while Hillary gives good speeches, Obama gives great speeches. I think those who vote with the debate in mind may favor Hillary while those who hear Obama speak either in person or on TV will favor Obama.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 07:58 PM
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23. Kick &R
Hillary
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:01 PM
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24. Do not trust Gallup.
What do people know about Rasmussen?
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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:07 PM
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25. Oh, but Howard Fineman said
last night on KO's Countdown that Obama might give Hillary a race in New York and California. He implied Obama had the big Mo! In fact, he might win Charley Rangel's district. Did Time tell Fineman and Jonathan Alter to toe the Obama line? It appears so.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:11 PM
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26. The most recent Rass national tracking has Clinton 45%, Obama 37%.
Obama has been creeping closer ever since.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:15 PM
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27. Great. Then you should have no worries. Hillary will win!
Good for you, kiddo!
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:23 PM
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28. k
:dem:
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 08:25 PM
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29. Hillary is ahead by so many points that her supporters might as well stay home.
:evilgrin:

j/k
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