The campaign of the future is nothing but a campaign built on the past.

Here's a start of a list, please feel free to add to it.

He wants to run the country like reagan, getting a coalition together that he can screw later.

He wants to be the next JFK, the oldest democratic liberal lion with in the democratic party endorses him.

He wants to relive the Iraq war vote over and over and over again, never mind what is happening today, cause he votes the same way hillary does.

Reach across party lines! Big theme huh? ADUH...DUHBYA!

too bad for you.

vote over and over because it's the only way he has a chance at getting the nod.
So much for moving forward.

shining with honesty. That sums up all your posts lately.

Nothing ever changes for these people. Lobbyists in Congress and the Capitol, cronyism (Hillary's camp hoping for a loyalty job) more saber rattling, more division, more war, more hate.

Hey it's worked for all these years.

money coming in from Washington lobbiest...

You don't raise the kind of money either of them are raising without depending on the private campaign financing structure that is alive and kicking in to both...

from DC lobbyists. Not one red cent. And she's taken far more big and corporate money than he. Over twice as much of his funding comes from small donors: Hillary 14%. Obama 32%.

Goldman Sachs...

That's a good chunk of change from people who work at one company...

And don't think for one minute Obama doesn't know where that money came from...

The IWR vote was the most important foreign policy vote in the Senate in the last 7 years.

Hillary failed the test.

We don't KNOW how Barack would have voted, but his contemporary statements of the time say he was against this stupid war.

It really is that important and that simple.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91JG1Qpq8P8 >

"Won't get fooled again"

by The Who

The change, it had to come
We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

We knew it all along
We were liberated from the foe, that' all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie

a hilldrone. Fuck that moronic shit. Have you ever posted one half way intelligent comment on anything here? No would be the correct answer to that query.

Do you even hear yourself?

Of course not. You label and trivialize.

3900+ dead, perhaps 1 Million Iraqis dead. Another 5 million homeless. $1 Trillion committed. Our standing in the world gone. We torture, we rape, we kill civilians. All facts. All because we STARTED a war.

Because of 935 lies told by the Administration.

Hillary believed those lies, Hillary even parroted those lies (it's ON TAPE for god's sake).

I did not. Even when Colin was playing fast and loose with the intelligence before the UN.

Obama didn't either. And he spoke up. It's on tape.

Spin all you want. Trivialize and name call all you want.

But the facts just won't go away. Hillary supported the war. Hillary voted to let Bush start the war.
Hillary showed a lack of judgment and leadership.

That disqualifies her to be President.

It's like he copied Hillary. Furthermore Obama has this sick history of voting "present" in the Illinois legislature. If you think Obama would vote different than his mentors Lieberman and Zbignew, that would be intellectually dishonest.

So the talking point from HQ is "Obama has voted the same since joining the Senate (on Iraq)" therefore he is just as responsible for the IWR vote as Hillary. What a load of crap.

OBama votes to support the troops. Troops that are fighting this war for oil and empire. But they are our troops. But he didn't vote to START the war. And that's something you just can't stand, isn't it? Hillary did. And spin spin spin, but it still doesn't wash. It stinks.

I'll vote for any Dem that was against this war from the start OVER a DINO that voted FOR it.

As for the "present" votes... that's a crock of shit and a distortion of what happened. And you people (and I use the term loosely) know it. If his "present" vote is what NARAL and PP wanted to happen, and they did, then it's good enough for me. Learn a little about parliamentary strategy. But Hillary's vote for the IWR was about POLITICAL (hers!!!) strategy. She wanted to appear to be "tough" and "hawkish" because the triangulating pollsters TOLD her that she should be on the winning side in the war. That if she wanted to run for national office someday, she'd have to be "tough" and not "liberal" on this matter. After all, the war was going to over in a week or two at most, Iraqi oil was going to go to US oil interests and gasoline would be $1 a gallon soon. Better be on the right side of all that! So she not only voted for it, she was cheer leading.

And you folks just can't stand it. It eats you up inside. Because you know that she was wrong, that it was wrong, and YOU are left here trying to defend the indefensible and spin the unspinable.

So here you are, trotting out TP #N on the vote of her lifetime.

First it was "Well, I didn't EXPECT Bush to go to war"
Then it was "Carl Levin drafted the IWR and it was only to used as leverage"( but that was a LIE! ).
Now it's "Obama has the same record as Hillary!"

What's next? "Well, since the surge is working, the vote for the IWR was correct, just the military strategy was in error!"?

I can't wait. :puke:

Actually he wants to run the country like Bill Clinton.

He wants to win the election with a Bill Clinton type electoral map.

He wants to out-Clinton the Clintons

He wants the anti-war vote but not really so much the GLBT vote.

What the hell does that prove?

Kerry made a mistake, Kerry is not running this year for President. If he was, I wouldn't be supporting him in the primary, just like in 2004 when I supported Dean.

Or perhaps you are saying that since Kerry voted for the IWR and supports Obama, Hillary should do the same.

He slams Hillary for voting the IWR, pretends to offer "change," but stands shoulder to shoulder with Kerry, who voted the same way as Hillary.

He offers no change.

He offers empty Hallmark slogans with rock-star marketing.

Obama is a fraud.

Some political animals are more equal than others, and there ain't enough whitewash stockpiled in all of America to rewrite their history.

- Dave