What if Hillary had a KKK member MC an event?

What would the reaction be? Would it be acceptable because she has a great civil rights record? I doubt it. I don't see why Obamites can't honestly acknowledge what Obama did with Mcclurkin is exactly like the hypothetical presented about Hillary. He was wrong. He is not perfect. He is no saint. Nor is he the first non-bigot to use bigotry for political ends, and he won't be the last.



Look at when Obama's rise in South Carolina started. He can't capitalize on anti-gay feelings and then distance himself from them after he derived the desire benefits from it.

I wouldn't know who the hell Mcclurkin is. I'm sure he enjoys the press people on this board give him. Its seems to be the only place where its relevant

Obama was wrong. It is shameful that Obamites can't admit it. As I said in the OP, using a question posed by another poster here, what would the reaction be if Hillary had a KKK member MC an event? Mcclurkin doesn't matter; the fact that Obama used something like him for political purposes does.

You can't have it both ways.

Would Hillary having a KKK member MC an event be acceptable? She has a clear pro-civil rights record.

Turns out that seems to be :+bama's modus operandi.

he simply could have hired another preacher.. the south if full of them...

that's all he had to do..

and issue an apology to the gay community.. that's all.

There is a large anti-GLBT bloc in South Carolina and Obama wanted their votes. Apparently he got them.

I ran a campaign for karla drenner (look her up) 3 time Georgia house Representative.

white Gay woman.

she ran a campaign in a deeply religious / poor to middle class avondale estates district, that was 90% african american.

the people we had helping us knock on doors were deeply religious elder african americans , who felt in their hearts that GAY Was WRONG, and yet the campaigned door to door for karla even though karla ran against an african american woman.

we won by 62%.

bottom line the african americans can smell horseshit faster than anyone.

look at florida results..

you'll see that obama has not convinced african americans and not convinced hispanics and those 2 groups heard the short fired around the world with mclurkin on stage.

the question you ask yourself as any kind of minority , "am I next?"

Even the Democrats there tend to be religiously conservative.

I agree. That is the question all minorities need to ask and that is why ever sane person who is a minority in America should stand together with any minority whose rights are being threatened. I have used that argument many times when I try to convince minorities I know to support GLBT rights.

the middle / moderate / johnny sixpack / whitetrash trucker / african american religious / civil war types are NOT REALLY that against gay people anymore.

it's only the political consultants who think it is that causes the really close mouthed results of the candidates.

why else would a woman who was white and gay win in a very religious black / antigay district by such a large margin against a black woman?

Obama knew he would gain in South Carolina buy doing this and would be able to minimize the damage by pointing to his record. He found a way to basically have it both ways.

spawned ELECTION FRAUD, and caging and disenfranchisement and now VOTER ID to stop the forward momentum of democrats of all stripes into office.

i think (personal opinion) that abortion and gay rights are not the wedge issue everyone thinks.

remember they had to rig like crazy to get bush even with kerry.

my estimates are kerry won by 70 or 80%.

the bottom line is that we have to stop repeating the rove talking points about religious people key issues..

ask any religious person which they'd rather have 'anti-gay republican that causes economic recessions" or a democrat that often turns surpluses from recession?

for most people their WALLET trumps their wedge issue.

Obviously not, so obviously there is still a huge anti gay voting bloc.

there are some states that are from very anti-gay blocs with gay people in the state legislature.

Alabama and Georgia both ushered in more gay folks last go round.

more importantly, it still boils down to personal charisma of the person running moreso than anything.

i would venture folks like obama cause he's more charismatic than hillary... often the folks voting go on gut and if they like someone (in my case they liked karla cause she talked about god alot and was very positive in front of her people). she was charismatic and that won out over all policies or positions of the candidate.

my friend would be like asking you to pretend you are not a DU poster.

worse, it's like asking you to admit you're a freeper to the world and then at night come back and post on DU.

imagine that for a moment.

CIVIL UNIONS is like 'pretend your love is not as worthy as our straight people love'

so NO , his pro-gay stance is still milktoast, insult slap in the face.

I have his brochure.. he says CIVIL UNIONS not gay marriage.

so please consider, tomorrow, telling folks you post on Free republic for a day and then ask yourself the question of how you'd feel if I asked you to go to a camp that will turn you from someone who secretly loves DU to someone who loves Free republic.

I'm just trying to bring it home for you.. the insult from a country that is behind most of the undeveloped world as far as gay rights.

and told them as much as I hate hillary, I can't vote for a man that makes gay people
feel like they are somehow 'broken' by endorsing an Anti-Gay Bigot like McClurkin.

Hillary has done a lot of things including defending her husband's stance on don't ask, don't tell,
but as someone from the south, Obama has caused generations of hurt by allowing this kind of vile
person to stand in front of thousands and present any kind of leadership.

It's worse that KKK person on Hillary's stage, it's a Nazi Soldier at a jewish rally. because
the anti-gay bigotry McClurkin espouses involved Gay "camps" in the south of which I'm well aware
are akin to torture and sexual abuse and all kinds of emotional hell for folks who are surrounded by
an unsupportive and backwards religious environment.

*** i'm in a real quandry... next saturday what do I do.... it's tearing my heart out!! i'm just so frustrated.

then don't vote for him.

But only you know if you are being honest or not. Keep that in mind.

Obamites: answer this simple question. Would it be acceptable for Hillary to use a KKK member to MC an event? She does have a pro-civil rights record. Would that make it ok? Yes or no. You can't vote present. If you answer yes at least you are intellectually consistent but no Obamite will take the consistent stand because they fucking know Obama was wrong. Admit it. You can still support him. There is much that is good about him but why can't you folks take an honest stand?

I think that takes incredible courage and honesty.

my heart says that I"m having to choose between hell and hell....

I will likely ask the Obama campaign to issue a serious apology to the gay community.

and you'll see that come out soon. because I can swing a lot of votes in a state he needs to win.

You can't use MISDIRECTION the way Bush does.


Obama failed us by putting this man on stage. Period. no BUT look at his record..

that's like saying I can kick my cat, but look, I voted bigtime for PETA rights.. that makes kicking my cat ok...

it doesn't.

we have the right to demand a personal integrity from our president that is above reproach.

pissing off a RICH 20% of society is not only stupid.. it likely lost him the white house..

:(

Answer: Never.

An Obamite bringing up the trial lawyer thing is rich. Edwards worked for ordinary folks who had been wronged. He didn't work for corrupt slumlords...

He never once reminded voters that Barack Obama was a black man. Yet the Clintons couldn't manage that.

Duh, the voters couldn't tell?

But hey do what you want

but very little doing. That is the problem.

Because I don't think Trent Lott would endorse her!:eyes:

B-)

even though she hired him, I'm sure it would be fine and dandy. :eyes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3858429

Only Sen. Clinton hasn't put out a statement disagreeing with Jackson's views. Guess it's okay because she only hired him as a high-dollar consultant. It's not like she invited him on a stage or anything. :eyes:

There isn't, and its not really a problem with a candidate. Its a problem with this country. The truth is, most of this country is bigoted against gay people. Until this country stops being bigoted, we will get bigoted candidates. I dont know if Obama or Clinton really feel the way they say but the polls force them to take certain bigoted stances on issues.


If you want to see how politicans pander for the bigoted vote, I think this video perfectly show McCain doing it. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NeBw28tX5Nw

most rednecks don't care anymore... seriously.. they just don't....

the problem is the gay community needs to flex it's muscle and field a good lucking gay or lesbian candidate
to change the friggin debate.

i'm quite sure in 4 years that will be the case.

what would happen if tomorrow gay folks stopped funding the hillary or obama campaign? overnight we might see a little change of heart in the candidates...

they need our money.

I SAW HOW WE PUT DEAN in the presidential race and how we put him in the DNC chair.

we have more power than people thing.. as a voting block and as a fundraising block we just don't flex that muscle enough.

When you hear people talk about Obamites being kool aid drinkers this is why. They can never admit Obama was wrong on anything. Well, neither can Barack...You don't see this from Edwardians and Hillarites.

I have admitted this in no less than five threads.

Honestly, I'm just tired of this being brought up. How many times has McClurkin campaigned for Obama?

I am shocked at the hypocrisy. We know no Obamite would defend Hillary doing the same thing with a KKK member, despite her perfect civil rights record.

One time is enough. How many times to did Bush go to Bob Jones?

No fewer than 20 posters stated "McClurkin".

We don't agree with it. But if often seems that this has been rubbed in our faces.

Many Obamites in the blogosphere swiftboated him as a fraud, largely based on his flip flops on a few issues. Many of us are very angry when we see the same folks pretend St. Obama has never flip flopped. He's flip flopped as much as Edwards or Hillary.

Hillary? Are you sure about that one?

Just asking, not trying to stir anything up.

You could argue Hillary's flip flops have been on more grave matters, with the war being the main one, but even that argument is based on Obama being in the senate for only three years and facing minor state issues most of his career. His list of major flip flops will only grow over time, as it does for any politician. This is why I wonder if he could win if he loses this time and ran again in 2016. He will no longer be St. Obama.

Preferably, in YOUR neck ...

... and call it Hope.

The online zeitgeist of a lot of the Obama people is getting ugly. The better he does in the polls, the worse they get.

Speaking of polls, many of them are starting to diverge; one has Obama over Clinton by 3% (Zogby) and the Real Clear Politics meta-analysis has Clinton regaining her lead, up to an 8% nation margin over Obama.

They also fail to see the media driving the polls as close to 50/50 for their advantage. Hotly contested elections bring in a LOT of money. For a group of people who are so worldly-wise about the corrupting power of money, they forgot about it immediately as soon as the media took their side. But the moment Obama is up by more than 3%, guess what happens?

Same applies to the general election.

If they are living by the polls, they way well die by the polls. But their consolation is that they dominate the Internet by about 2-to-1.

--p!

They are sad creatures...

:spray:

Would it have altered WWII?

He was depending on them to be good advisers and avoid situations like the one that occurred with McClurkin. Obviously, Obama can't be in a million places at one time.

Or to admit he shouldn't have given McClurkin a platform?