Fellow Edwards Supporters: Please don't vote for him tomorrow.

Forget everything I've said so far (if you were paying attention).

There's no point trying to send a message about media attention, when the media has already ignored him. They'll also ignore the message, or say that there were other reasons why you voted for him.

Any delegates Edwards picks up tomorrow will not be bound to vote for him at the Convention, nor will they be bound to vote whichever way he might request for them to vote.

I think it's time for us to take a purely pragmatic look at the two choices we have left, neither of which most of us feel any particular affinity toward; and look at the final prize we are hoping for.

"The other data suggests that most Republicans will ultimately embrace McCain if he is nominated. Rasmussen Markets data shows that McCain is overwhelmingly expected to be the nominee (current prices: McCain 89.0%)."

"For the first time all year, Rasmussen Markets data shows that Clinton and Obama have roughly equal chances of winning the Democratic Presidential Nomination (current prices: Clinton 53.0%; Obama 47.3% )."

"In general election match-ups, McCain leads Clinton 47% to 39% while Clinton leads Romney 50% to 37%. Obama and McCain are tied at 44% while the Illinois Senator leads Romney 44% to 41%."

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

"McCain does better than either Democrat with unaffiliated voters in the new survey, but especially when Clinton is his opponent. Against the former First Lady, he leads 52% to 31% with unaffiliateds.

John McCain is viewed favorably by 52% and unfavorably by just 43%. His favorables have been in the 50%+ range since late November.

Hillary Clinton is currently viewed favorably by 47%, unfavorably by 51%. Barack Obama is viewed favorably by 51%, unfavorably by 45%."

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/john_mccain_match_ups/election_2008_mccain_vs_clinton_and_obama

Both our remaining candidates are vulnerable in the GE to the most likely Republican nominee -- but Clinton starts out with the (possibly fatal) vulnerability of having a majority of Americans already having an unfavorable opinion of her. I think we have no choice but to add our voices to the majority of previous Edwards supporters who have moved into the Obama column in the past several days -- if we want to have ANY chance of seeing a Democratic president this November against the most likely Republican nominee which is McCain.

as indeed Clinton is the anti-Edwards

Yet certain people still trash him.

Thank you, OP, for your support. It takes a lot of motivation to overcome a broken heart and fight for the party. :D

..Keep these messages coming through.

You are great. Hope he can get the 15% goal.

...I see a lot of fighters here for Edwards. He is the only one with passionate, true and substantual speeches. Not only that he has put it in writing.....HIS WHOLE DAMN PLATFORM.

Folks...listen to his speeches then go back and listen to a pointless empty but sounds good Obama speech.

Obama is not ready for this term, sorry but true.

To Heel! Vote Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!

as the election season gets under way.

And then vote for McCain or who ever is on the rep.ticket come GE

repugnants

And if I wasn't in a state where Obama was polling at or near 60%, I'd probably be more conflicted. But, the situation being what it is, I can afford to send a message and vote for Edwards.

So I'm voting for Edwards tomorrow, BUT, I would caution people in other states to decide whether they can do so themselves. If I was in a state like California or New York, I'd be voting differently.

but you have likely already factored that in...

However the 'burbs are a different story.

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The message we can send to the party cannot be understated here.

Thanks for recognizing that.

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We should vote with our hearts and heads, IMO.

..keep working hard brother. I'm doing the same.

I live in Michigan, so all I can do is persuade the voters to vote for Edwards tommorrow. He's still on the polls. Or most of the polls as I hear.

I'm loving this.

John Edwards is right for America.

If we could only persuade the Obama Empty Heads...you know the ones who like his meaningless words.

above" is my choice at the moment. I will vote, unenthusiastically, for the Dem nominee come November.

before 2/4. (I think he was probably pressured out.) I was really looking forward to voting for him tomorrow. Now I've just lost my enthusiasm for the whole thing.

As a Kansan, I support my governor's endorsement for POTUS.

she endorsed Obama.

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if not viable then it goes to Obama.

know my vote counts toward another delegate for my second choice, instead of hoping a delegate agreed with me. So 4 votes for Obama tomorrow from my family. My 19 year old votes for the first time, he got me to look at Obama last year.

Thank you for posting this thread! I know it is an extremely difficult choice, but we must vote for a candidate who is running. :)

Flying Squirrel....you were never an Edwards supporter and I'm not your freaking FELLOW...got that?

Edwards consistently beat all the GOP for a year, until they left him off their polls.

I'm voting for Edwards on Feb 12 :D

What?

Edwards supporters... but all you have to do is search by username and you'll see I have supported him since Kucinich dropped out. I've donated to his campaign, although there's obviously no way I can prove that to you.. And I'm sorry if you object to the term "Fellow". The main thing is this: I vowed not to quit on his campaign until he dropped out. He did so much sooner than anyone expected. The only difference between me and you is that you don't appear ready to accept that reality and focus on the bigger prize. I can understand that and respect it. But I don't appreciate someone else telling me whether I was or am an Edwards supporter or not.

been for Edwards for a very very long time! Can't abandon him.

Wish you would help out until after tomorrow at least!

Good to see you. :hug:

many of us are!!

:hi: AND :hug:

I appreciate your decision and AFTER I vote, I will likely get behind Obama.

Please change your avatar.

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resort, so I don't feel I should put up an Obama avatar since I'm not a wholehearted supporter of him. But if it offends you to see me with an Edwards avatar advocating for people to vote for Obama, (even though I'm not the only one currently doing this), I'll change it to something neutral.

To me, his message (and campaign) stands for speaking out for the poor and those who Washington conventiently forgets. None of the remaining candidates are willing to take that stance. I think it would only be right.

Bless you sis. I appreciate where you are on this. I have the "luxury" on the issues vote as I am a late primary.

Be well!

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I won't vote in the primary though - ours isn't till May - we'll see.

And I'm really sick of being told to do that.

And I know a lot of Edwards supporters personally, and every one of them has broke for Hillary, not Obama.

You should change your avatar.

out by the most recent polls in every Super Tuesday state. Obama has picked up 14 percentage points to Clinton's 3 since Edwards suspended his campaign.

I've changed my avatar to something neutral so as not to offend diehard Edwards supporters who I respect.

Kucinich was first choice, and Edwards was my second. They are not running active campaigns at the moment. It is critical that I vote for Obama; I do not wish Hillary the Hawk to get the Democratic Party nomination.

The most important reason that I'm voting for Obama is related to his keen understanding of the Constitution, our system of government, and the Law, in addition to his understanding, from the beginning, of the inappropriateness of the Iraq invasion.

If I can't caucus for Edwards I will go "uncommitted." Hillary and Obama are six of one, half dozen of the other. I'm sure it will all be worked out at the convention if no clear winner emerges before then. Obama leaves me cold, and I'm actually leaning more towards Hillary right now, but not enough to caucus for her.

Obama hasn't been vetted and you all should know that. Look around the internet to see the skeletons and you'll get a taste of what is coming. By the time it hits it will be too late.

He is MSM's baby - they have protected him for the past year, and once he gets nominated, the smear machine will tear him to pieces. Will he even have a war room?? I doubt it. He has ZERO chance against McCain.

We once had at least two candidates (Edwards & Biden) who COULD have beaten McCain, but NOOOOOOOO... Here we go again.

obamatruth.org? THIS is what's coming, and it's only a beginning: http://www.obamatruth.org/

them doing. I won't spell it out here but you know...

I think that many of his supporters are too young to remember the crushing defeats of McGovern, Mondale and Duakakis. They can't imagaine it happening to their hero, but just wait. It'll be at least as bad as the 1988 loss and probably worse. Why do they THINK the media have been pushing him relentlessly for the past year?????

and the thing is like most rebellious young people they think we are stupid and have no idea of what we speak.

I just don't think ANYONE is listening and those of you who support one of the other are just posting a negative for this one, then a negative for that one!

AND most of it IS true! But now, thanks to so many in POWER... WE'RE all stuck! Some of us felt neither would be THE BEST! And I fear in time it will be VERY CLEAR!

Sorry, but what I see is "The Rock Star" versus "Queen Bee" and it doesn't warm the cockles of my heart!

And yes, I know... I can take my "cockles" and stick them somewhere! I have!!

EVERYBODY knows the info on Clinton and she can win in spite of it.

the smear machine will come for her; the media have been dissing her for weeks. But: she and Bill would have the best War Room they can get (buy), and they KNOW how to fight back. My impression is that Obama would follow the Dukakis defense model, which is to either reason with the smear merchants, or just ignore them.

Haven't we learned anything since 2004????

for him! Some in Congress have a "Hatfield & McCoy" battle going on. I think some have decided that Obama is easier to control! I doubt he would have gotten this far if there weren't some heavy duty hitters trying to out do the other heavy duty hitters! In the scope of things, check out which Congressmen/women or Senators are supporting Obama and then you may find an answer!

JMHO!

No one can do that for him, just ask Presidents Kerry and Dukakis. He will have to win the votes of males, who will think of themselves as electing the Commander in Chief; if others have to fight the smears for him, guess where those votes will go. Teddy Kennedy supported Kerry, McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis, and look where that went.

In fairness, I am not at all sure that Hillary can beat McCain either, but she would have a better chance.

complimentary! So I'll zip my lip! And there are many other Senators who have made quite aware of just HOW this Government works! And it's NOT for "we the people!" THAT much I'm sure of!!

why do you bother putting that crap here... it's hardly worthwhile, looks like a repug spin site.

And it will not save Hillary, not with so many against her from the start. I know they'll be tearing Obama down. But they'll do the same for Hillary. They'll find stuff you didn't even know existed and use existing stuff in new ways. The point is that Hillary already starts with a big disadvantage and Obama does not.

I know it may seem petty, but it means a lot to me.

Be blessed, FS

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obama is the real deal. it is not six of one half dozen of the other, as someone else in this thread said. it is a real chance at real change. believe it.

Ralph Nader ran as a Green in the GENERAL election. This is the primary. By the time all the superdelegates and proportions and everything else is factored in, our one little vote isn't going to make that much difference anyway.

an emotional (and unrelated) GE discussion.

Good on you.

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but I just wanted to take this opportunity to tell you how much I've enjoyed reading your posts over the past few months. Good work. :thumbsup:

Your 'boots' photos haunt me to this day.

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"Forget what I've said so far." LOL!!!

Ummmm, I don't want to crush your ego/affect your self esteem, etc., but why in the world would I, with all due respeect, listen to what you have to say?

I mean seriously.

You wrote this as though you're a self-appointed spokesperson for Edwards supporters with lots of influence...

"I think it's time for us..."

No, I won't be voting for Obama in California tomorrow.

Sorry.

I'm not anyone's spokesperson, just wanted to make it clear that I've changed my mind from the other day when I was advocating (as others were who also don't consider themselves to be any kind of "spokesperson") that we should still vote for him.

this assessment. Maybe MSM will ignore him STILL, but it's EDWARDS all the way... no matter what!

Just can't deal with the other two. What has happened in the backrooms in D.C. and The Powers That Be, have completely turned me off. They've force fed me for the very LAST time! I have no respect for many many people I once thought has integrity, now feel it's been such a SHAM!!

Remember, we're SUPPOSED to be a DEMOCRACY!

I am still voting Edwards tomorrow, in CA, for my own conscience.

Suspension is not withdrawal or concession...
And I don't think I can honestly get behind either HRC or BO, because they are still too corporate and not about to help my life as it is now. And yes, I would like to see John Edwards still have a showing tomorrow, whether it gets attention or not on the MSM - WE, his Supporters will see it and hopefully continue the momentum...He will stil be walking into the convention with delegates, and THAT is worth fighting for!

Edwards' delegates will be free to vote for whomever they choose.

If you think either of the top two has the same chance of winning the GE, by all means vote for him. But if you think one of them has a better chance of winning the GE, you should vote for that candidate 'cause there's no way to tell how Edwards' delegates will vote.

Personally, seeing that McCain is the most likely candidate and that he has consistently beat HRC in head to head polls, not to mention her clear negatives that have not improved for her, I think the choice is obvious and that's why I'm advocating for Obama. But if you have a different opinion, by all means vote for Hillary.

so while you have moved centrist, please appreciate that there are some in the party that want to make sure that the democratic wing of the democratic party isn't thrown competely inder the bus.

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Obama has not been around long enough - he'd be way in over his head. I still don't know anything about him. All I hear is buzzwords like "change," "inspirational", etc. I need to hear about issues, concrete plans for the future. There's an extreme lack of substance to that campaign.

And yet somehow a majority of Americans were convinced to vote for him in 2000. Now granted, that's not a stunning endorsement of Obama. In fact it's a piss-poor way to elect a President. But let's face it, that's what this country has come to at this point. So I'm going to vote for the candidate with an (apparent) extreme lack of substance to his campaign, who nevertheless may be able to convince 51% of the sheep to vote for him over McCain. Better to have him there than McCain vetoing anything that comes to his desk from a Democratic majority.

....I hate these dis-information posts.

purpose of electing a Democratic president.

But I'd like to see you refute the so-called disinformation with actual facts of your own and links.

Heh

EDWARDS is my guy. he got my absentee vote last week. AND he'll get my vote written in if i have to in nov. i have no interest in helping either hillary or obama. i crossed over from independent to dem to vote for EDWARDS and that's what i've done. now before y'all go throwing me off DU, i normally vote straight across D in generals and for the most part i support D ideals. BUT... i am not a party first girl. i voted D straight across in '06 and i've been pissed ever since. what a waste. so... i voted EDWARDS and bo and hrc can fight it out amongst themselves WITHOUT my help. they, the m$m, the dnc and dlc can all kiss my ass. NOBODY tells me for whom to vote. i'm an american and until i'm not, i'll vote for whomever i damn well please.

The party WILL hear your voice.

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I can feel where you're coming from and I know your reasons are sound. There are, however, also sound reasons for trying to at least get the one more likely to win in the GE nominated.

I don't particularly agree with his politics (I was a Kucinich supporter and then an Edwards supporter, so neither leading candidate is really liberal enough for me). Living in Red California, however, I've noticed something interesting. All Republicans hate Hillary. Most moderates hold an unfavorable view of her. Most of the Republicans I know don't really hold an opinion on Obama at all, and most of the moderates are somewhat favorable to him.

Despite their similar political positions, I think that Hillary brings too much baggage to the election. To the Republicans it isn't about electing Hillary, but about a third term for Bill...and they will fight like dogs to keep that from happening.

I think that Obama has a better shot in the GE simply because the Republicans are so apathetic too him. Even better, the Republicans tend to be fairly lukewarm about both Romney and McCain. If the Democratic party can keep Obamania going through the GE, he'll win on momentum alone.

good enough for me.I will NEVER lend any support to Obama.And it is extremely suspicious that you would attempt to mislead voters in an attempt to garner him support.

voting, if there is not a majority, they are free to vote however they please and they are not bound to vote for whomever Edwards endorses.

"But to make things clear, the 12 delegates he has, like any other delegate, can vote for anybody they want to. They can vote for Edwards, they can vote for whoever Edwards endorses, or they can vote for themselves if they want."

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

If you can dispute that with more direct proof (perhaps something directly from the DNC - I certainly can't make heads or tails of their bylaws and rules) I'll retract my statement.

I WILL vote for him on Feb 12 when Virginia has our primaries.
I am assuming his name will still be on our ballots. We don't have a write-in option in our primaries.
Since I don't have a preference on the other two yet, I will cast an undervote if Edwards is not on our ballots. An undervote is when you don't vote for anyone but you still cast a ballot.

threatened "suspended " for two months and then came back for the fall
debates.

The media keeps repeating his candidacy is ended becaue they dont want you
to vote for him. Corproate owned media remember....? GE armament supplier
owns NBC CNBC MSNBC

Time Warner owns CNN and AOL and every news outlet magazine you can think of.

For whatever reason, Edwards has suspended. Lawyers choose their words carefully.

But he has made certain his name is still on all the ballots for today
March April and May.

Who are you to tell people to vote for with some polls as some sort of proof ? If you want Obama then go into the polling place in private and vote in private as it should be .

I voted for Edwards. Proudly.

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