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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:47 PM
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The guy Hillary Clinton doesn't want you to know about: Mark Penn
For those in fantasyland that actually believe Hillary will bring change, I would like to call attention to her chief strategist, Mark Penn.

First off let's start with the basics: Who is Mark Penn?





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Penn
Mark J. Penn is worldwide CEO of the public relations firm Burson-Marsteller and president of the polling firm Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates. <1> In September 2007, he released a book titled Microtrends: The Small Forces Behind Tomorrow's Big Changes, which examines and illuminates small trends sweeping the world.<2> He serves as Hillary Rodham Clinton's chief strategist for her 2008 presidential campaign.<3>

He advises organizations and companies on a wide range of image, branding and competitive marketing assignments. He has been a key adviser to Bill Gates and Microsoft since the late 1990s.<4> His present firm, Burson-Marsteller, has been linked to controversial security firm Blackwater and struggling mortgage lender Countrywide. <1>

In his role as Clinton's chief strategist, Penn gained minor attention nationally during a controversy about Barack Obama's admission of drug use during Obama's adolescence and questions about whether the Clinton campaign was trying to exploit the issue. Appearing on Hardball with Chris Matthews with the head of the John Edwards and Obama campaigns, Penn stated that the campaign was not making an issue of the drug use, but used the word cocaine (which Obama admitted using in his memoir "Dreams from My Father"<6>), causing Edwards spokesman Joe Trippi to jump on him and accuse him and the rest of the Clinton campaign of trying to distort the picture.<7> Edwards had formerly compared Penn to Karl Rove,<8> and the day after Penn's comments, Jennifer Donahue of the New Hampshire Institute of Politics appeared on Hardball where she too drew the parallel in reference to voter perception of the general tone of the campaign. After a surprising loss in Iowa and Clinton's subsequent fall in national polls, it was reported on msnbc.com that Clinton was considering firing Penn.<9> However, most of that was false speculation, as Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are known to be close friends of Penn and the Clintons have a small, reliable group of advisers, in which Penn has played an important role.


Let's take a really close look and this article is the place to start:


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070521/berman

article | posted May 7, 2007 (web only)
Spinning Hillary Centrist

As Hillary Clinton charges toward the Democratic nomination for President, her campaign has a coterie of influential advisers. There's her husband, of course, widely regarded as one of the sharpest political strategists in the business. There's über-Washington insider and former head of the Democratic National Committee Terry McAuliffe. There are A-list policy wonks like former Treasury Secretary Bob Rubin. But perhaps the most important figure in the campaign is her pollster and chief strategist, Mark Penn, a combative workaholic. Penn is not yet a household name, but perhaps he should be. Inside Hillaryland, he has elaborately managed the centrist image Hillary has cultivated in the Senate. The campaign is polling constantly, and Penn's interpretation of the numbers will in large part decide her political direction.

Yet Penn is no ordinary pollster. Beyond his connections to the Clintons, he not only polls for America's biggest companies but also runs one of the world's premier PR agencies. This creates a dilemma for Hillary: Penn represents many of the interests whose influence candidate Clinton--in an attempt to appeal to an increasingly populist Democratic electorate--has vowed to curtail. Is what's good for Penn and his business good for Hillary's political career? And furthermore, can she convincingly claim to fight for the average American with Penn guiding strategy in her corner?
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Despite the risks he poses, it's easy to figure out why Hillary clings to Penn. The Clintons (like the Bushes) put a premium on loyalty, and they credit Penn with saving Bill's presidency. After the 1994 election, Democrats had just lost both houses of Congress and Clinton was floundering in the polls. At the urging of his wife, Bill turned to Dick Morris, a controversial friend from their time in Arkansas. Morris knew Penn from his days as a pollster in New York and brought him into the White House. Morris decided what to poll and Penn polled it. They immediately pushed Clinton to the right, enacting the now-infamous strategy of "triangulation," which co-opted Republican policies like welfare reform and tax cuts and emphasized small-bore issues that supposedly cut across the ideological divide.
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Penn, who had previously worked in the business world for companies like Texaco and Eli Lilly, brought his corporate ideology to the White House. After moving to Washington he aggressively expanded his polling firm, Penn, Schoen & Berland (PSB). It was said that Penn was the only person who could get Bill Clinton and Bill Gates on the same phone line. Penn's largest client was Microsoft, and he saw no contradiction between working for both the plaintiff and the defense in what was at the time the country's largest antitrust case. A variety of controversial clients enlisted PSB. The firm defended Procter and Gamble's Olestra from charges that it caused anal leakage, blamed Texaco's bankruptcy on greedy jurors and market-tested genetically modified foods for Monsanto. Penn invented the concept of "inoculation," in which corporations are shielded from scandal through clever advertising and marketing. Selling an image, companies realized, was as important as winning a legislative favor.
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Penn kept his foot in the political world through the Clintons. In 2000 he became the chief architect of Hillary's Senate victory in New York, persuading her, in a rerun of '96, to eschew big themes and relentlessly focus on poll-tested pothole politics, such as suburban transit lines and dairy farming upstate. Following that election, Penn became a very rich man--and an even more valued commodity in the business world (Hillary paid him $1 million for her re-election campaign in '06 and $277,000 in the first quarter of this year).
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The massive PR empire WPP Group acquired Penn's polling firm for an undisclosed sum in 2001 and four years later named him worldwide CEO of one of its most prized properties, the PR firm Burson-Marsteller (B-M). A key player in the decision to hire Penn was Howard Paster, President Clinton's chief lobbyist to Capitol Hill and a top executive in the WPP firmament. "Clients of stature come to Mark constantly for counsel," says Paster, who informally advises Hillary, explaining the hire. The press release announcing Penn's promotion noted his work "developing and implementing deregulation informational programs for the electric utilities industry and in the financial services sector." The release blithely ignored how utility deregulation contributed to the California electricity crisis manipulated by Enron and the blackout of 2003, which darkened much of the Northeast and upper Midwest.
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Burson-Marsteller is hardly a natural fit for a prominent Democrat. The firm has represented everyone from the Argentine military junta to Union Carbide after the 1984 Bhopal disaster in India, in which thousands were killed when toxic fumes were released by one of its plants, to Royal Dutch Shell, which has been accused of massive human rights violations in Nigeria. B-M pioneered the use of pseudo-grassroots front groups, known as "astroturfing," to wage stealth corporate attacks against environmental and consumer organizations. It set up the National Smokers Alliance on behalf of Philip Morris to fight tobacco regulation in the early 1990s. Its current clients include major players in the finance, pharmaceutical and energy industries. In 2006, with Penn at the helm, the company gave 57 percent of its campaign contributions to Republican candidates.
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Furthermore, few Democratic consultants so consistently and publicly advocate an ideology that perfectly complements their corporate clients. Every election cycle Penn discovers a new group of swing voters--"soccer moms," "wired workers," "office park dads"--who happen to be the key to the election and believe the same thing: "Outdated appeals to class grievances and attacks upon corporate perfidy only alienate new consistencies and ring increasingly hollow," Penn has written. Through his longtime association with the Democratic Leadership Council, Penn has been pushing pro-corporate centrism for years. Many of the same companies that underwrite the DLC, such as Eli Lilly, AT&T, Texaco and Microsoft, also happen to be clients of Penn's.
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Yet despite occupying such a divisive place in the Democratic Party and outsized role in the corporate world--and despite his company's close ties to Republican political operatives and the Bush White House--Penn remains a leading figure in Hillary's campaign, pitching the inevitability of her nomination to donors and party bigwigs. According to the New York Times, " Clinton responds to Penn's points with exclamations like, Oh, Mark, what a smart thing to say!" (much more at link)


:wtf:

And Penn is not alone


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070604/berman

May 17, 2007 (June 4, 2007 issue)
Hillary Inc.

In a packed ballroom in midtown Manhattan, Hillary Clinton is addressing hundreds of civil rights activists and labor leaders convened by the Rev. Al Sharpton for his annual National Action Network conference. The junior senator from New York starts slowly but picks up steam when she hits on the economic anxiety many in the room feel. "We're not making progress," she says, her sharp Midwestern monotone accented with a bit of Southern twang. "Wages are flat." Nods of agreement. "This economy is not working!" Applause. She's not quite the rhetorical populist her husband was on the campaign trail, but she can still feel your pain. "Everything has been skewed," Clinton says, jabbing her index finger for emphasis, "to help the privileged and the powerful at the expense of everybody else!"

It's a rousing speech, though ultimately not very convincing. If Clinton really wanted to curtail the influence of the powerful, she might start with the advisers to her own campaign, who represent some of the weightiest interests in corporate America. Her chief strategist, Mark Penn, not only polls for America's biggest companies but also runs one of the world's premier PR agencies. A bevy of current and former Hillary advisers, including her communications guru, Howard Wolfson, are linked to a prominent lobbying and PR firm--the Glover Park Group--that has cozied up to the pharmaceutical industry and Rupert Murdoch. Her fundraiser in chief, Terry McAuliffe, has the priciest Rolodex in Washington, luring high-rolling contributors to Clinton's campaign. Her husband, since leaving the presidency, has made millions giving speeches and counsel to investment banks like Goldman Sachs and Citigroup. They house, in addition to other Wall Street firms, the Clintons' closest economic advisers, such as Bob Rubin and Roger Altman, whose DC brain trust, the Hamilton Project, is Clinton's economic team in waiting. Even the liberal in her camp, former deputy chief of staff Harold Ickes, has lobbied for the telecom and healthcare industries, including a for-profit nursing home association indicted in Texas for improperly funneling money to disgraced former House majority leader Tom DeLay. "She's got a deeper bench of big money and corporate supporters than her competitors," says Eli Attie, a former speechwriter to Vice President Al Gore. Not only is Hillary more reliant on large donations and corporate money than her Democratic rivals, but advisers in her inner circle are closely affiliated with unionbusters, GOP operatives, conservative media and other Democratic Party antagonists.

...
Clinton has a consistently liberal Senate voting record, earning near-perfect scores from Americans for Democratic Action. She's fought to get New York its fair share of federal money after 9/11 and has advocated for long-neglected, though politically safe, issues like children's health and veterans care. Yet voting records capture only so much. Since the healthcare reform disaster of 1993-94, she has rarely stuck her neck out on contentious issues. "She votes the issues that come up, rather than take the leadership role," says Joan Claybrook, president of Public Citizen. "We tried to do too much, too fast twelve years ago," Clinton told the Federation of American Hospitals last year, "and I still have the scars to show for it." She's now the number-one Congressional recipient of donations from the healthcare industry.
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Clinton's rarely been the threat to the business community that many on the right typically allege. She's often partnered with Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Bill Frist. In 2002 she backed a harsh position on welfare reform reauthorization that put her at odds even with conservative Republicans like Orrin Hatch. She persuaded her husband to veto the bankruptcy bill in 1997, voted for a similar version in 2001 and missed the vote in 2005, when Bill was in the hospital. She advocated weakening the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform law, telling Feingold to "live in the real world." Unlike Edwards and Obama, she accepts campaign contributions from lobbyists and corporate PACs. "Ask them why they don't take money from lobbyists," Wolfson retorts. "We're proud of our support."



Knowing this, does anyone think Edwards could endorse Clinton and live with himself? And how could anyone who was for Edwards be for Clinton? It just doesn't add up

Oh and guess how Penn thinks Clinton is going to win the GE. If you think it's by fighting hard as a savvy Democrat, Vanguard of the left, you are wrong. Penn thinks Clinton is going to win by recruiting Republican Women.



http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/10/18/post_135.html

Republicans, he said, could be in for a nasty surprise if Clinton is the nominee. "I think the Republicans are not prepared for the loss of a substantial group of their Republican women voters," he said.

Penn argued that Clinton has an opportunity to produce sizeable defections -- as much as 24 percent of Republican women could end up voting for Clinton in a general election race. That, he said, would make "a major difference nationwide because of the emotional element of having the first woman nominee and that actually will be a major unexpected factor here that will throw the Republicans for a loop."



So, now I don't want to hear any more criticism of Obama about his cross party appeal.

I think John Edwards should have the final word



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3694881&page=1

Edwards Slams Top Clinton Strategist's Ties to Blackwater

a scathing attack, Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards went after front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., Friday, calling her a "corporate Democrat," comparing top Clinton campaign strategist Mark Penn to former Bush aide Karl Rove and assailing Penn's ties to Blackwater USA, the embattled private firm of military contractors accused by the Iraqi government of firing upon and killing 11 unarmed Iraqi civilians last month.

"Bush has been a perfect example of cronyism because Blackwater has given hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republicans and to President Bush," Edwards said in an interview with the Associated Press while campaigning in Iowa. "I also saw this morning that Sen. Clinton's primary adviser, Mark Penn, who is like her Karl Rove -- his firm is representing Blackwater."

Edwards said that he thinks "it is important for Iowa caucus-goers to understand the choices they have in this election. And it is the reason I continue to say we don't want to replace a group of corporate Republicans with a group of corporate Democrats. I think it is important for caucus-goers to see this choice."

In addition to his role as a top campaign consultant to the Clinton campaign, Mark Penn is the worldwide president and CEO of Burson-Marsteller. The firm's lobbying subsidiary BKSH helped Blackwater's top executive, Erik Prince, prepare for his congressional testimony this week.


Well, there you go folks. Happy voting on Tuesday.

And remember if we put Clinton in the Whitehouse, CHANGE IS ON THE MARCH!!! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!









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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:48 PM
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1. she's so scared of you knowing about him...
...that she regularly puts him on TV to speak for her campaign. OMG!!!!

:eyes:

I'm not so hot on Mark Penn, but your post is pathetic.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:49 PM
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2. Beat me to it, and you said it best...! nt
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:04 AM
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Yeah, high fives, Mark Penn (hillary's KKKarl rove) is awesome!!!
way to go!!!

:yourock:

/end sarcasm
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:06 AM
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14. Your bread is moldy, and I see you've brought the clown.
You might try to BUILD UP your candidate, rather than invest so much energy in tearing others' down.

Paucity of ideas, is it? Embarrassment of hubris?

Why yes, I think it is.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:09 AM
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18. I think it's critically important to understanding why our party has
grown so dysfunctional and lost it's spine in the last 2 decades. Mark Penn is part of the problem. A huge part of the problem. If you took the time to actually read about the guy and his effect on the Clinton's I think you'd be shocked.

I doubt you will.

And this kind of research is part of being an informed voter, deal with it.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:26 AM
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23. I think it's critical for people to not be dishonest about their motives here.
Mark Penn is almost as much of the problem as Tony Rezko is. But oh, we don't wanna go THERE, do we?

Pulling up staffers and making them "the issue" is what people do when they have nothing good to say about their own candidate. Your Politics of Hope bank account is plainly overdrawn, as evidenced by this pathetic thread. Your CHANGE theme is shopworn, and is only apropos of diapers, or "the subject" -- because your candidate can't pin down a position on anything; he can only speak in generalities "AT"--not "TO"--a gathering.

Like I said, the bread's moldy and there's that tired old clown....deal with that.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:37 AM
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25. My motives are very clear, I want people to understand what they are buying when...
they buy stock in the Hillary Corporation.

I scoff at the Tony Rezko association with Obama. Even if their relationship resembles the worst incarnation that is potrayed by the fakeoutrageanistas here on DU, it is a drop in the ocean of the kind of effect and relationship Mark Penn has with the Clintons.

It is very clear and very well documented Mark Penn has direct influence on both Bill and Hillary's political endeavors. It's the kind of facts you willfully ignore.

But here let me say it for you:

TONY REZKO TONY REZKO TONY REZKO TONY REZKO TONY REZKO TONY REZKO TONY REZKO

There are you happy now? It's not as if we haven't heard TONY REZKO TONY REZKO TONY REZKO TONY REZKO TONY REZKO for weeks as it is.

So what does that say about you?

Anyway, I'm not going to ignore the man behind the Emerald Curtain, as much as you'd like me and the rest of the people to.

You either have not really read and understand Mark Penn or you just don't really give a fuck how he has sculpted the techniques that have crippled the Democratic Party and prevented it for standing for something.

I challenge you, read the articles. Refute them. Make a real argument.

Just quit trying to change the subject.

If you want to bash "hope" and "change" make your own thread.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:22 AM
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40. You are the one who is so DESPERATE to toss peripheral bullshit into the mix,
hoping that people will ignore the fact that Clinton is getting specific about issues while Obama is spouting bullshit platitudes from On High.

Look who's trying to change that subject with this pathetic thread? When your candidate can't make it one-on-one on the issues, well, you've just got to try to toss oblique mud to conceal the fact that the Politics of Hope is actually the Politics of General Nonsensical Phrases That Sound Good and Mean Nothing.

Your "Mark Penn" whining IS the same as "Tony Rezko" whining. I don't particularly care about either one of them--I think the fact that Clinton addresses issues specifically, and Obama spouts platitudes, is the real issue, the one that's just too tough to discuss honestly.

He isn't quite an empty suit, but he's shy on plans AND experience.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:25 AM
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:47 PM
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98. "fakeoutrageanistas"
Lucky you're on the internet.

Telling someone that their emotions were fake -- as if you could know -- is asking for an ass kicking.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:52 AM
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28. Bullcrap.
Rezko = Whitewater. Nothing there.

Penn = Rove. A LOT of scary, there.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:02 AM
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31. thank you. stated a thousand times better than wordy me.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:15 AM
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36. Ah, the Dish it Out, Can't Take It retort...which was expected. NT
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:18 AM
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38. Yours is a non sequitur...
only worth a response because it equals a kick.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:43 AM
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26. Yes, you're right.
It is entrenchment of the status quo.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:40 AM
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57. YOU go!!
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:03 AM
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32. haha. kicked
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:58 PM
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11. Putting him on TV doesn't let people "know about him"
and the fact that his background is unknown to people is not an accident.

My wife didn't know who the fuck he is and she voted for B. Clinton twice (as did I).

But thanks for bumping my post. Go go Burson-Marsteller, amirite!?!
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:28 PM
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102. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:49 AM
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27. Didn't bother reading it, did you? nt
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:50 PM
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3. This all reminds me of the Bustamante Schwartzenegger race in California
BOy did I ever have to hold my nose on that one.

I am beginning to think there might be a most excellent market for nose clips!
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:51 PM
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4. The Democratic tent isn't big enough to hold Mark Penn.
And that's not a fat joke.

He's a BAD FUCKING DUDE, and the primary reason why I lean (slightly) towards Obama at present time.
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:31 AM
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24. It's sad to see that all her advisors are corrupt
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:36 AM
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55. That picture of him says a lot. A fat slob, not unlike Rove, whose ...
only talent is ruthless politicking.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:39 AM
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90. A Disgusting Fat Pig
What a loser.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:08 PM
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100. Penn, McAuliffe, Carville - ALL corrupt. And we're supposed to pretend she and Bill
are completely innocent in their connections to BushInc, too.
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gasoline highway Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:51 PM
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5. I love Hillary but asserting this post is pathetic is...
pretty pathetic in itself. Penn is an evil man.
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:04 AM
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13. i agree. he is an evil man, and he advises hillary rodham-clinton
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:51 PM
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6. Penn and Carville work for the global fascist agenda. They just need Dem masks to
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 11:52 PM by blm
put on their clients to help carry it off in front of a dumbed down America.

They weren't counting on the old-guard progressives joining the new blood and circling the wagons and taking a stand against the fascists.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:54 PM
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9. blm shoots and scores!
Well said!
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:00 AM
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73. Keep shooting blm..
keep shooting..
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:03 AM
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84. I intend to.... and it makes some folks here mighty uncomfortable.
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:08 AM
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17. That's pretty much the way I saw it too.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:35 AM
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81. Yep. Here's a lil' tidbit on Carville's efforts abroad:
Globalism extends to the American way of campaigning, it seems, and the hubris of the gringo strategists — earnest ex-Clintonistas employed by James Carville’s Greenberg Carville Shrum group — would be hilarious if human lives and a country’s political will weren’t at stake.

It’s a galling and provocative experience to viewers of any political persuasion, and a reminder to the left of how easily idealism can run amok.

The Carville boys were hired by Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada, a.k.a. ‘‘Goni,’’ a patrician Bolivian businessman who served a rough term as Bolivia’s president in the mid-’90s. Goni’s legacy was an unsuccessful program of ‘‘capitalization’’ (i.e., he welcomed foreign investment and watched foreigners get all the jobs).

By 2002, the time of filming, unemployment is through the roof and rural campesinos are agitating for political representation. Goni is old news and his poll numbers are dismal. Enter Jeremy Rosner, Greenberg Carville Shrum’s point man in Bolivia, an articulate manipulator of mass moods (and a fellow who bears an uncanny resemblance to Seth Meyers of ‘‘Saturday Night Live’’ — reality parodies itself here better than any comic could).

-snip
http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/articles/2006/06/30/a_campaign_in_bolivia_thats_made_in_america/
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:56 PM
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104. Democrats need to see documentary about Carville OUR BRAND IS CRISIS.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:52 PM
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7. Mark "are you gonna eat that?" Penn
Reprising the role of Dick Morris in Porky's II: Return of the Clintons
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:47 AM
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59. Good one.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:36 PM
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95. Dick Morris and Mark Penn: Separated at Birth
And joined together by an uncontrollable urge to live in a van down by the river.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:53 PM
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99. Penn and Rove or Penn and Morris? I think more a hybrid of Rove and Morris.
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:53 PM
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8. Kicked!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:57 PM
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10. I am running----just a running.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:02 AM
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12. P.S. If you are against this kind of guy being Hillary's "Karl Rove" please keep it kicked.
:kick:
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:07 AM
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15. kicked
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:08 AM
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16. I used to work for Merck and DuPont
At Merck, I helped compose the regulatory documents for Vioxx studies, several of which were found to be fraudulent.

Does this make me a "fascist"?

I also worked for a scientist who was under contract with the military studying particle beam weapons.

Let's see ... worked for DuPont ... worked for Merck ... worked for a mad scientist ... Cockburn and The Nation would have my ass in a sling.

Or not.

If I run for president some day, will the uber-hip leftist press think I'm a fascist/DLC/traitor/whore?

This is a deceitful, sloppy practice, no matter who it is its target. Mark Penn -- or anyone else -- should not be judged guilty by association. More stringent criteria should be used. As it is, anybody with a Powerbook and pretensions to journalistic fame can write a book that can make the target of their choice look like a mass-murderer.

If all you've got is being related, acquaintanceship, or employment, you've got nothing.

Not just for the Clintons and their friends -- for EVERYONE.

--p!
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:14 AM
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19. causion is not association however, if you actually read about the
influence Penn has on the Clintons, I think this goes past "mere association"

I challenge you to read up on his effect on the Clintons political journey and not question some of your feelings about the Clintons. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming because you are here you are a true liberal and progressive. Maybe I'm wrong on that.

But if you think this is just a casual association, you are obviously ignorant of the long history Penn and the Clinton's have.

Penn is the architect of what has become of our party, the complicit spineless kowtow to the right it has become.

NAFTA, DOMA, Welfare reform, deregulation, an economy out of balance slanted more and more to the rich... he has had a hand in all of this.

Please, I implore you, read.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:16 AM
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20. You mean w/the party w/the best shot at taking the federal govt this fall?
Nutz
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:20 AM
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21. oh...yeah....let's just forget 1994 to 2008.... because all that didn't matter
let's just forget nafta, telecom deregulation, banking deregulation, bankruptcy reform, welfare reform, the Iraq War...

yeah, let's just forget all that shit the Dem Party was complicit with for the last 2 decades.

your glib comment is a non sequiter.

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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:00 AM
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30. You're forgetting a small detail
The Clinton Prosperity.

The issues you raise are troublesome, but how is it that no one has sought to change them?

Overall, Clinton fostered a tremendous boom in the world economy. There were 20-25 million jobs created in the USA. It was the ONLY time in recent American history (since 1966, IIRC) that the gap between rich and poor shrank. Bill was brokering peace in Ireland, the Middle East, Yugoslavia, and Asia. And after he left office, he began several highly effective charities for the relief of poverty and disease.

Pretty good for an eeevil fascist, isn't it? But Ralph Nader and Alexander Cockburn each said that Clinton "anesthetized us with prosperity". THAT is revolting bourgeois elitism. Playing at coffeehouse revolution isn't going to get NAFTA repealed.

So where is the focus of the "progressive left"? On trivial economic issues that could be overturned or modified if our "activists" would propose and promote specific changes in (or abolition of) these laws. So far, no good. It's too difficult and no fun to go to law school and get things changed. Instead of taking the political initiative, the left whines incessantly about "fascism" like a teenager complaining about losing his car privileges after being caught with a baggie of weed. It's easier to blame people who have little or nothing to do with the problems of the world, though you are willing to call them "complicit".

Why does the world suck? Not because of Mark Penn. Certainly not because of the Clintons. It's because our political movement is crippled by preening cynicism, complaining, and bogus "investigative journalism". The stuff of middle-class indolence. Consumerism being called "revolution".

Forget Mark Penn. Draw up a plan to make the world better -- to overturn NAFTA or craft a progressive welfare law for the next Congress -- and get going on it. You will have plenty of help.

--p!
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:04 AM
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33. ahh selling our souls for eight years of an economy ran on easy credit!!!
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 01:14 AM by Bread and Circus
from wiki"

"The term Clintonomics, a portmanteau of Clinton and economics, was used to describe the economic policies of U.S. President Bill Clinton during the 1990s. Clinton assumed office at the tail end of a recession, and the economic theories he utilized and implemented are claimed by his supporters to have eventually led to a strong recovery, though Clinton's opponents deny this.

The strategy was outlined in the following three points:

Establishing fiscal discipline, eliminating the budget deficit, keeping interest rates low, and spurring private-sector investment.
Investing in people through education, training, science, and research.
Opening foreign markets so American workers can compete abroad. "

It's too bad we were heading into a recession at the end of the most 8 amazing years ever! It's also too bad we all got into an economy driven by consumer debt! It's too bad we sold out the average worker and started our long and steady march to outmigration of jobs and outsourcing. It's too bad the effect of the 90's and the "Bill Clinton" effect could be so easily erased. Also, the gap between the rich and the rest still widened during the Clinton years, it all depends where you put your break points.

Ok, you've played your Ace, as you Clinton folks always do, which is the puffed up economic bubble that was the 90's. There's many good things about it, but it's not infallible. And it's poor compensation for all the other bullshit and the greater arc of a Democratic Party that barely knows itself.

On another note, I didn't get rich. Did you?

And no, I'm not going to "forget" Mark Penn. I just fucking learned about him in the past 2 weeks and it has been the biggest "aha" political moment I've had in years. Understanding Mark Penn is a window into understanding the Clinton's trimming and the rise of the DLC. It's like appreciating a building but not giving any credit to the architect.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:43 AM
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58. Yes. some have chips on their shoulders they stay stuck instead of working for
a better future.

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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:02 AM
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48. You see shit ... I see a response to the Great Society and the War on Poverty
that was predictable and manageable. 20 years is not enough perspective to understand why social forces are allied as they are today.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:58 AM
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29. Can you prove to me, through the policy positions he holds,
what party Penn belongs to?

BTW, he also advised Trent Lott at one time.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:00 AM
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47. Why bother? HRC wants to govern the US, not just the Dems n/t
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:07 AM
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34. Okay
I'll read about him -- again. My leftist friends have been sending me the same four or five articles about him since they were written. It's always the same thing.

But Mark Penn is a media consultant. He occasionally works for bastards.

Well, so have I.

And the eternal screeds about the Clintons ... well, my earlier post is right below. (I think I placed it under another DUer's reply.) So many of them are bogus and deceitful, it would take months to debunk it all.

But, yes, I will read the linked articles about Penn.

--p!


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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:16 AM
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37. Read the Nation articles, if you will just search Mark Penn on thenation.com
read those, and if you still think this is all bunk and I'm out of line...then that's a debate I'd like to continue.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:22 AM
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39. If you were aware at the time that you were complicit in fraud,
and the development of particle beam weapons, then yes, you ARE part of the problem.

If not, if you were duped, then no.

So, is Hillary aware of the fact that she has hired a fascist to run her campaign? Or is she being duped by the fascist?

Which way do you want to play it?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:13 AM
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78. Did you run the companies? Then it's not the same!
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:21 AM
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22. Kicked so people can see the truth
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:13 AM
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35. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:00 AM
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42. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:09 AM
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43. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:12 AM
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44. kickkkkkkkkkkk
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:23 AM
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45. K & R
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:50 AM
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46. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:05 AM
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49. kick
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:05 AM
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50. If the Queen and her King are crowned, I hope Edwards and Obama keep their distance!
I can't imagine putting up with those two co-presidents.
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:38 AM
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56. exactly. kick it baby
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:11 AM
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51. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:16 AM
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52. kickkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:25 AM
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53. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:32 AM
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54. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:52 AM
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60. kick
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:55 AM
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61. She told Feingold to "live in the real world"??
F U. The "real world" should change to a point where campaign reform is the WAY, not something to fear or loathe.
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:00 AM
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62. She also said federal lobbyists are the "real america"
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:04 AM
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63. kick
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:05 AM
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64. More on Mark Penn from the Washington Post
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 04:08 AM by Apollo11
The Washington Post - April 30, 2007

Clinton's PowerPointer

By Anne E. Kornblut, Washington Post Staff Writer


(...)

Penn has deep roots in the national security wing of the Democratic Party, along with other centrist Democrats -- some of them Jewish and pro-Israel, like Penn -- who saw the merits of invading Iraq before the war began.

"Penn has always believed that strength is critical for running the country, and that people want to have a president who's going to be willing to defend the country -- that's the number one criteria," said Al From, the chief executive of the Democratic Leadership Council, who considers Penn a friend.

Penn gained his foreign policy expertise working on numerous campaigns overseas, especially in Israel. In 1981, he and business partner Doug Schoen helped reelect Menachem Begin, one of the most right-wing prime ministers in the country's history, and emerged with a new outlook on the Middle East. "We got a chance to experience firsthand the perils and possibilities that the state of Israel presents," Schoen said in an interview.

In a pivotal moment, the pollsters watched as Begin launched airstrikes against a developing Iraqi nuclear facility, Osirak, in the middle of the campaign. "In the end, bombing the Osirak reactor became a metaphor for the type of man that Begin was and the steps he was willing to take to safeguard Israel's security," Schoen wrote in his autobiography, "The Power of the Vote."

Ever since, Penn has been a prominent advocate of conveying strength in foreign policy. As recently as the 2004 presidential contest, Penn argued that Democrats would lose if they failed to close the "security gap." His client list includes prominent backers of the Iraq war, particularly Lieberman, whose presidential campaign Penn helped run in 2004, and British Prime Minister Tony Blair, whose campaign he advised when Blair won a historic third term in 2005.

(...)

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/29/AR2007042901661.html

:kick:

PS - Edited to add, before anyone else brings it up: No - it's not about the fact that he is Jewish.
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:10 AM
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65. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:14 AM
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66. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:30 AM
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67. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:58 AM
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68. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:29 AM
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69. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:42 AM
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70. kick
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:46 AM
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71. "Clinton has a consistently liberal Senate voting record." There you go.
"Clinton has a consistently liberal Senate voting record, earning near-perfect scores from Americans for Democratic Action."

The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:28 AM
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88. But by those standards, Obama is better. But we all know that
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 11:29 AM by Bread and Circus
voting records are not the "whole story". Clinton has a good record on her votes, granted but the articles I linked discuss this and discuss how Mark Penn's influence on her has kept her from "leading" very much (the articles say not at all, but I find that hard to believe).

Honestly, ask yourself what has Clinton actually been out front on that has become a national issue? Nothing really. With her 35 years of experience you can't say she ever really took an executive role on anything. Well except for the 1993 Health Care debacle which by accounts on the right and the LEFT she botched and mishandled it very badly.

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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:51 AM
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72. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:05 AM
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74. kick
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:08 AM
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75. kick
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:09 AM
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76. kick.

enough of these bastards.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:12 AM
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77. Read this about his POLLING firm Penn, Schoen & Berland:
THIS IS FROM 2004:

In August, exit polling figured in a bitter fight in Venezuela over what amounted to competing landslides for and against a recall of the sitting president, Hugo Chávez, a socialist with ties to Fidel Castro.

The recall's proponents sponsored an exit poll, supervised by Penn, Schoen & Berland, an American firm whose clients have included Bill Clinton and Michael Bloomberg. Sometime before the polls closed on Aug. 15, Penn, Schoen reported that 59 percent of Venezuelan voters had said yes to throwing the president out of office.

A few hours later, the official count, by an election commission under Mr. Chávez's control, declared him the winner, with 58 percent of the total. Both the Organization of American States and the Carter Center, the Atlanta-based human rights organization founded by Jimmy Carter, said that their observers had seen no irregularities at the polls. In response to the exit poll, they called for a random audit at selected polling stations and again found nothing suspicious.

Mr. Schoen acknowledged in an interview that the poll's field workers were recruited by a group that helped organize the recall, but he said the volunteers had been trained to conduct the poll professionally, and that his firm would have no reason to put its reputation at risk by participating in a fraudulent poll. The recall's supporters continue to believe the election was stolen.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/weekinreview/17plis.html?_r=1&fta=y&oref=slogin
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:08 AM
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80. Thanks for that link.
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DebraK Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:39 AM
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79. Mark Penn is shady.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:54 AM
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82. "In '06, with Penn at the helm, the company gave 57% of Campaign Contrib to GOP"
"In '06, with Penn at the helm, the company gave 57% of Campaign Contrib to GOP"



Polling Czar



After the 1994 election, Democrats had just lost both houses of Congress, and President Clinton was floundering in the polls. At the urging of his wife, he turned to Dick Morris, a friend from their time in Arkansas. Morris brought in two pollsters from New York, Doug Schoen and his partner, Mark Penn, a portly, combative workaholic. Morris decided what to poll and Penn polled it. They immediately pushed Clinton to the right, enacting the now-infamous strategy of "triangulation," which co-opted Republican policies like welfare reform and tax cuts and emphasized small-bore issues that supposedly cut across the ideological divide. "They were the ones who said, 'Make the '96 election about nothing except V-chips and school uniforms,'" says a former adviser to Bill. When Morris got caught with a call girl, Penn became the most important adviser in Clinton's second term. "In a White House where polling is virtually a religion," the Washington Post reported in 1996, "Penn is the high priest."

Penn, who had previously worked in the business world for companies like Texaco and Eli Lilly, brought his corporate ideology to the White House. After moving to Washington he aggressively expanded his polling firm, Penn, Schoen & Berland (PSB). It was said that Penn was the only person who could get Bill Clinton and Bill Gates on the same line. Penn's largest client was Microsoft, and he saw no contradiction between working for both the plaintiff and the defense in what was at the time the country's largest antitrust case. A variety of controversial clients enlisted PSB. The firm defended Procter & Gamble's Olestra from charges that the food additive caused anal leakage, blamed Texaco's bankruptcy on greedy jurors and market-tested genetically modified foods for Monsanto. PSB introduced to consulting the concept of "inoculation": shielding corporations from scandal through clever advertising and marketing.

In 2000 Penn became the chief architect of Hillary's Senate victory in New York, persuading her, in a rerun of '96, to eschew big themes and relentlessly focus on poll-tested pothole politics, such as suburban transit lines and dairy farming upstate. Following that election, Penn became a very rich man--and an even more valued commodity in the business world (Hillary paid him $1 million for her re-election campaign in '06 and $277,000 in the first quarter of this year). The massive PR empire WPP Group acquired Penn's polling firm for an undisclosed sum in 2001 and four years later named him worldwide CEO of one of its most prized properties, the PR firm Burson-Marsteller (B-M). A key player in the decision to hire Penn was Howard Paster, President Clinton's chief lobbyist to Capitol Hill and an influential presence inside WPP. "Clients of stature come to Mark constantly for counsel," says Paster, who informally advises Hillary, explaining the hire. The press release announcing Penn's promotion noted his work "developing and implementing deregulation informational programs for the electric utilities industry and in the financial services sector." The release blithely ignored how utility deregulation contributed to the California electricity crisis manipulated by Enron and the blackout of 2003, which darkened much of the Northeast and upper Midwest.

Burson-Marsteller is hardly a natural fit for a prominent Democrat. The firm has represented everyone from the Argentine military junta to Union Carbide after the 1984 Bhopal disaster in India, in which thousands were killed when toxic fumes were released by one of its plants, to Royal Dutch Shell, which has been accused of colluding with the Nigerian government in committing major human rights violations. B-M pioneered the use of pseudo-grassroots front groups, known as "astroturfing," to wage stealth corporate attacks against environmental and consumer groups. It set up the National Smokers Alliance on behalf of Philip Morris to fight tobacco regulation in the early 1990s. Its current clients include major players in the finance, pharmaceutical and energy industries. In 2006, with Penn at the helm, the company gave 57 percent of its campaign contributions to Republican candidates.

-snip
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070604/berman

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:13 AM
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85. Indeed.
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MJPassion Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:00 AM
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83. kick
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:16 AM
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86. Wow that one troll was sure dedicated to keeping this thread kicked.
Weird.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:25 AM
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87. Yeah, I tried to PM her to tell her to cool it... but she apparently has been removed
according to the message I got.

She did this in a few other threads as well.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:36 AM
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89. I'm betting those were also anti-Clinton threads.
Weird.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:59 AM
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91. They were.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:03 PM
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92. These articles confirm what I have been saying
We need to put an end to BushClinton once and for all, or they will put an end to us.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:06 PM
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93. Amen. That's why it blows my mind any Edwards fan can support her.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 12:06 PM by Bread and Circus
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originaldeanic Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:34 PM
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94. KICK
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:13 PM
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96. Penn is Rove's SOULMATE - just as Clintons are soulmates with Bushes.
No surprise here for those who actually pay attention.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:46 PM
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97. Bump I found a new article:
http://www.democrats.org/page/community/post/elizabethberry/Cr2t

. . . Penn is also the ultimate expression of a long-standing trend among political consultants -- that is, claiming to serve the public interest during election years while selling their connections and knowledge to special interests every year. . . They tend to reject populism and almost any position that might lead to conflict with their corporate benefactors.. . Among the most controversial aspects of Penn's firm's business, from the liberal perspective at least, come under the category of "labor relations," a traditional euphemism for suppressing workers and thwarting their right to organize.

Before Penn scrubbed his firm's Web site, it advertised this specialty and noted the firm's capacity to confront "Organized Labor's coordinated campaigns whether they are in conjunction with organizing or contract negotiating."
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:27 PM
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101. kick
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 08:21 PM
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103. Penn is a weasel
See Dick Morris
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