Obama and His Lousy Healthcare Plan....the Point of Hidden Progressivism

This thread is a spin off of Quioxte1818's thread about thinking twice about Obama because of his Healthcare plan...and don't worry, it's not bashing.
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can understand where you're coming from...Obama has a lousy healthcare plan
and I wish he were a little more bolder with it. With that in mind though, I'm 20 years old and healthcare isn't a #1 issue for me right now. Other than knees that feel like they're getting worn out because I run too much...I'm relatively healthy. You have to go with your gut. Like another poster above said, truth be told...there's not a big difference between Obama and Clinton's plans. And once they both go through the legislative process, politicians will try to weed certain things out. I'm a fan of Single-Payer myself...but my support for Obama goes farther than Healthcare. There are things he wants to do that none of the other 3 want. Case in point, Open Government is a big issue for me, but maybe not as much for you. Obama is the only one left running with that on his platform.

I'm hoping Obama is simply running on a more PR friendly Healthcare plan and will change his mind if he becomes President...like many of them do. It would be political assassination for him to run on a Single-Payer plan and I understand that. But he supported Single-Payer once while in the State Senate and has expressed "feelings" towards it more recently. So here's to HOPING...lol.

Everyone knows that an "out of the closet" Progressive like John Edwards won't be given the time of day to succeed. While Obama was in the Illinois State Senate and US Senate, he has been one of the more liberal politicians. He is RUNNING as a moderate because that's what you need to do if you wish to get elected in this country. It's what I call, Hidden Progressivism. Do you guys honestly think that if Obama was an OPEN Progressive, all of these politicians, the MSM, newspapers, wall street, etc. would be endorsing him? HELL NO!! He would be shut out of the debate like all other openly Progressive politicians that have run for President. Called a long shot and radical. This is the aspect of his CHANGE rhetoric that most people are missing (maybe for the good). When he talked about REAL CHANGE, I believe he means it...but he can't get overly specific with it or he'll be risking political assassination. And the plans he does come out with are watered-down and PR. I fully believe Obama will do more for the Left if he becomes President than it currently appears.

but I realize both he and Hillary's "health care plans" are shit.


And a word to all you out there calling shit provided by PRIVATE companies "universal coverage".... PLEASE STOP!

Only single payer provides universal coverage.

It's painful to see how many progressives are being duped by this insurance boondoggle.

You START with a bold plan, knowing it will automatically be knocked down. It's like bargaining...you don't start with your lowest price; you start high expecting it to be bargained down.

If your plan is weak to begin with, it will only get weaker. Don't count on Obama's "changing his mind." Count on the Republicans slashing a weak plan and making it so weak it's non-existent.

because the crap Hillary and Obama are proposing forces people to enrich private insurance with no guarantees of coverage.
That sort shit makes Republicans cream their jeans.

Neither plan is a step towards true universal coverage.

State Sen. Sheila Kuehl has been lobbying for "Medicare for everybody" for several years. I love Obama, I think we can work his proposal into something better. I like Hillary, but don't trust her ties to Big Insurance. On balance, Obama is the better bet.

Once Dems get ahold of the White House, there are LOTS of things we can work for. For example, the model of WorkComp in California might be a starting point -- i.e., the State Fund competes in the open market against the private carriers. Or the single payer govt plan can handle the claims, but allow private carriers to buy a piece of the underlying risk, for a tax break or some other reasonable incentive.

No candidate has ALL the right answers. But I got my fingers crossed for Obama!

and they take on the powers that be for the people and they getkicked in the nuts..

Thank You john Edwards for caring ,..and i am sorry we the people fucked up!

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