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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:23 AM
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Please K&R, so no one forgets what *else* this day means
Yes, this an historic day for what's at stake in the primary.

But do you remember what happened five years ago today?

Colin Powell went to the U.N. and lied us into war. That, and the mediagasm that followed, changed the course of world history. And surely not for the better.

Please join me at www.dayofshame.com, and help us remember and learn from that fateful day.

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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:28 AM
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1. Recommended
And :kick: back up to the top.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:31 AM
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2. K&R n/t
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 09:31 AM by beezlebum
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:34 AM
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3. K & R. I remember watching it.








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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:52 AM
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11. The pix, like the weapons truck...
... always remind me of Bruce McCall, who does those absurd futuristic and pseudo-military pictures.

They may have well been superimposed it with "Don't believe this. It's a lie." Wouldn't have cooled down the media's bloodlust, though, would it?

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:36 AM
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4. You mean the war Clinton voted for?
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:46 AM
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7. Yes, she is the one who started the war.
She alone holds responsibly for all that is wrong in the world today. So what do you think we should do to punish her real good? A little water boarding? Maybe then she will tell us all about her evil plans for America. :patriot:
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:49 AM
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8. That's not what I said, putting words in other people's mouthes is an ugly thing.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:56 AM
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13. You know she didn't vote for war
I believe you're the one who should be ashamed. And Obama has stated that he doesn't know how he would have voted had he been privy to the same intel and been in a position to actually vote.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:33 AM
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15. This is certainly turning out to be a...
... "day of shame." :)

IMHO, Obama's record of supporting the war once he got into Congress -- and his penchant for accepting rightwing frames -- suggests that he, like Hillary and Edwards would have voted for the AUMF. Obviously one can't know for sure -- and, as you note, even Obama isn't sure about that. So, I don't believe that his pre-Senate statements are proof positive that he wouldn't have given Bush wide berth like most of the Senate did.

I've had to look at other issues when deciding which of two largely similar candidates to vote for today.

Both sides can look back at that day and draw lessons relevant to the campaign. Some will see Hillary's AUMF vote as the definitive issue, and some won't. Some, like me, will be reminded of the hazards of groupthink.

Anyway, I don't want to divert from the essential point of Day of Shame: something is seriously broken in our country when such obvious and deadly lies are taken as truth.

Whether you're voting for Hillary or Obama (or even dear John Edwards) today, I hope you'll agree with that, and that you'll teach your children well.

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:17 AM
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17. that's a fucking crock and even James Carville is on record in his
book that people who try to sell you that the IWR wasn't a vote for war is "BUNK" <<<<<<<<<<< his words, not mine.

Tim Russert caught him on this just this past Sunday and he couldn't wriggle out of it.

He is a close advisor to the Clinton's if he says it's BUNK, it's BUNK.

Sorry your political fantasy doesn't jive with reality.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:50 AM
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9. She claims to have bought it hook, line and sinker.
What do you think convinced her? The artists' renderings of the imaginary mobile chemical labs? The empty glass vial representing the imaginary poison? Or was it those darn aluminum tubes?
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:54 AM
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12. Has to be the tubes!
Those tubes were pretty shiny and could sing their sirens song to convince even the most "anointed" among us.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 11:17 AM
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18. I'm pretty sure it was Mark Penn and his magical polls
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:42 AM
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5. K&R. We need to remember.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:45 AM
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16. Yes we do. And we need to study, learn, and share the meaning...
... of what happened. How was the country so easily played? And why should we ever trust the media or a Republican ever again (and why should we "reach across the aisle" to them, as both Dems in the race say they want to do)?

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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:45 AM
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6. K&R n/t
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:50 AM
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10. Thanks, lwcon
Colin Powell and his cartoon trucks.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 12:19 PM
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19. As Dave Barry would say...
... that's an excellent name for a band.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 09:56 AM
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14. Kick n Rec /nt
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:31 PM
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20. Thanks. For anyone else who remembers and wants others to.
Please keep the Ks&Rs coming.

I know there's a lot to think about today, but we must remember, and we must find a way to bring sanity back to our country. And even electing a Dem for president will not be enough.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:36 PM
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21. oh comon, there was a truck! parked outside a building!
it was obviously manufacturing nanovirus laced robotic space-bombers.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:53 PM
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22. I'd swear you read what was on my mind when I watched it n/t
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:52 PM
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25. nanovirus laced robotic space-bombers -
Might be the name of my next band!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:10 PM
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23. Test tube day
They asked that the Guernica painting be covered so that the irony be less obvious
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:12 PM
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24. I remember when people thought he might run for POTUS, and everyone was excited about it.
Just goes to show how very little we know about smooth talkers.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:04 PM
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27. look around the internets
lots of people still think of Powell as something special.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 03:53 PM
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26. Hillary says it was a big ol' oopsiedaisee
Nobody could have known that everything that led us to war was a mistake...

except Barack Obama.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:39 PM
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28. But then it was OK to vote to fund it once he got to the Senate? n/t
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:36 PM
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29. Wow...that was 5 years ago today....
Damn, I remember it exactly. As Powell spoke, I told my mother to watch closely cuz right how he's sucking W's c*ck!

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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 10:53 PM
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30. That was wrong in so many ways
Wasn't Powell's presentation wrong enough for ya?
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:18 PM
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32. I wanted to make sure that
my mother got the true picture. Guess you're from a more puritanical family. Just Ignore me and I can do the same with you.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:24 PM
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33. I'm just funnin' ya n/t
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 02:04 PM
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36. I wondered....but
you never know these days. It was an awful day in our history.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 05:14 PM
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37. Aye, that it was. It was. n/t
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:17 AM
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31. KnR for more visibility.. n/t
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:38 PM
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34. k&r ...thanks for the reminder....n/t
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 01:39 PM
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35. kicked; thanks for the reminder. n/t
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