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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:00 PM
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Poll question: The primaries are NOT over
as long as Vermin Love Supreme has not dropped out, there is still hope for the party.

It is still possible for Vermin Love Supreme to win the nomination if Kerry does not win on the first ballot.


So if Love Supreme does win the nomination, who will you vote for in the General Election?

Vermin Love Supreme:


or George W. Bush:


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displacedvermoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:03 PM
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1. I don't know VLS, but he's no Shrub!
He also has a much more "presidential" vibe about him. A clear winner should it come to it!
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:04 PM
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2. Vermin would need 108% of the remaining delegates.
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 12:05 PM by Cuban_Liberal
I know he's highly desirable as a candidate, and a 'true progressive', but can even he pull it off? :P
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:13 PM
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4. Kerry only has 1,557 delegates. If he fails to win 605 more it would be
possible for him to lose on the first ballot. After the first ballot, delegates can vote for whoever they wish. And I predict an unprecedented movement to Vermin Love Supreme.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:35 PM
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11. Good point.
Let's not forget the possibility that Kerry may also be hit by an asteroid. Plan for every contingency... ;)
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:03 PM
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21. If Kerry is hit by an asteroid, or falls a victim to flesh-eating bacteria
Vermin Love Supreme will be ready to step in.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:07 PM
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23. Let's not forget menningitis, or Legionaire's disease.
He could also be bitten by a black widow spider, or a coral snake...
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:12 PM
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37. He could also be abducted by aliens.
Never discount the alien-abduction risk...
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:10 PM
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3. Who IS vermon love supreme?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:18 PM
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5. He is a Democrat running for President
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 12:31 PM by Feanorcurufinwe



At one point, a Baltimore man wearing a devil's mask and a clown nose, who said his name was Vermin Love Supreme, read sections of international law -- including Article 33 of the Geneva Convention -- through a bullhorn inches from a stern-faced line of police.
http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2001-September/000616.html


Mr. Vermin Love Supreme - Democrat *The pic speaks for itself lol, hahahha! His prof. experience is an activist, construction worker and a street theater performer!
http://www.xanga.com/skin.asp?user=alohavida

Project Vote Smart web page on Vermin Love Supreme


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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:21 PM
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6. The way I see it
it is the doofus (VLS, although I know little about him, just judging the picture) vs the criminal Goober Bush*. No contest, I vote doofus lots of times.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:25 PM
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8. Vermin Love Supreme can unite the Democrats like no other candidate
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 12:27 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
I've never seen Kerry get this high of a percentage on any Bush :vs: Kerry DU poll.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:24 PM
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7. I'll vote for a rabid monkey over Bush
A rabid monkey, like Bush, might push tax cuts that benefit his political and business cronies without regard to what it does to the economy overall. A rabid monkey might even talk like he has the right to appoint and dismiss leaders of sovereign states at will.

However, a rabid monkey would not regard the Bill of Rights as an inconvenience to be abrogated under the pretext of fighting an endless war against terrorism; a rabid monkey would not lie to drum up support for a colonial invasion, again under the pretext of fighting a an endless war against terrorism.

In fact, I doubt a rabid monkey would declare a war with vague, undefinable goals that can easily be used as a pretext to abrogate civil liberties and prosecute any dubious military action for which he gets an itch in ass.

I could be wrong, but I think a rabid monkey would be an improvement over Bush.

I am certain that Kerry, although not perfect, would be better than a rabid monkey. So I'll vote for Kerry in November.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:34 PM
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10. Another good thing
about rabid monkeys. They have a very short life expectancy.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:33 PM
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9. Nice attempt at deflecting the issue, but Kerry is still not the nominee.
Yes, I do think he will be and I do think that it's very unlikely that another candidate could beat him at this point, but that doesn't make Kerry the nominee.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:37 PM
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12. I agrtee it's very unlikely, especially since...
... the only remaining active candidates would need 108% of the remaining delegates to beat Kerry.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:43 PM
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14. 2 words: Brokered Convention.
Yes, I also believe that a brokered convention is extremely unlikely, but it eliminates the 108% hurdle you mentioned.

My point is that we have this process for a reason. Kerry is the frontrunner and he has a very good chance of winning the nomination. Until he does, though, he's just the frontrunner.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:47 PM
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15. Won't happen, I don't think.
605 delegates is not that many, frankly. My prediction is that after IL (3-16), Kerry has it sewn up. :shrug:
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:54 PM
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17. Even fewer now....
he needs 536. He picked up 69 superdelegates yesterday.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:02 PM
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20. Hadn't heard that.
I still think 3-16 (IL) is V-Day for Kerry. :)
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:40 PM
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25. Personally, I agree with you.
That still doesn't excuse those who tell others to "Get over it" because "Kerry is the nominee".
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:42 PM
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26. You are right. NOW is the time
to unite behind Vermin Love Supreme in order to STOP KERRY!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:46 PM
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27. Sarcasm and evasion..that's what I've come to expect from some people here
What's innacurate about saying that while Kerry will most likely be the nominee, he hasn't yet fulfilled the requirements?

Or are some supporters so fanatical that they see every statement that isn't overwhelmingly flattering as an attack?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:57 PM
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30. It is entirely accurate to say that Kerry is not the nominee
Kerry isn't the nominee, and I have shown exactly how and why Vermin Love Supreme can still step in a save our party.

Kerry could lose the first ballot, and Vermin Love Supreme could win the nomination on the second ballot.

This poll shows Vermin Love Supreme garnering a higher percentage of DU votes against Bush than Kerry ever has in a head to head matchup against Bush at DU.


Why do you insist on pretending I am disagreeing with you?

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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:59 PM
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18. Exactly- that is the scenario I'm talking about
it is ridiculous to act as if Kerry is the nominee while Virgil Love Supreme is still running, and still has a chance of becoming the nominee.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:50 PM
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28. It's ridiculous to say that Kerry is the nominee when he doesn't yet have
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 01:55 PM by MercutioATC
the delagates, especially when having the delegates is what's required to be the nominee. Virgil has nothing to do with it (nor do Kucinich or Sharpton). This isn't about anybody but Kerry. He simply doesn't have the delegates yet.

I'm curious...you understand the process and you admit that Kerry doesn't have the delegates yet. I'd understand saying that Kerry's almost guatranteed the nomination or that the other candidates chances are slim. How do you justify calling him the "nominee" when you admit that he hasn't fulfilled the requirements?
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:56 PM
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29. True, that's why I'm still pulling for Virgil Love Supreme
He'll really shake up the system
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 02:16 PM
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31. that's VERMIN Love Supreme.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:41 PM
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13. That is exactly my point. Vermin Love Supreme still has a chance.
Will you support Vermin Love Supreme against George W. Bush?
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 12:49 PM
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16. Vincent Hamm! He is running again...GO HAMM!
What about Vincent Hamm!?

Fercripessake, he received more votes than Sharpton in Dixville Notch!

VINCENT HAMM '04!

He needs volunteers for his Hammpaign...please visit him!

http://www.h4p.org/

LOL
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:02 PM
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19. Hamm is a war-monger
he's completely failed to criticize Bush over the Iraq war - he doesn't even mention it on his campaign website.

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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:04 PM
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22. Yes, but he is FOR decriminalization of some controlled substances...
...and that explains positions 3 through 10! LOL
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:11 PM
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24. But would he wear a clown nose during the State of the Union address?
Edited on Sat Mar-06-04 01:14 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
You might argue that it is just a question of style, but a Vermin Love Supreme presidency would really help folks to LIGHTEN UP!

Whereas a Hamm presidency would help folks to LIGHT UP!
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 02:37 PM
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34. Hmmm....
Vermin Love Supreme/Hamm '04!

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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 05:48 PM
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35. Love Supreme/Wojciechowski
Lucian Jacob Wojciechowski

Just because I love the way Love Supreme/Wojciechowski rolls off the tongue.
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:07 PM
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36. That is pretty damn good...
...but I was always hoping for Hamm & Dean...

Maybe the two can team up for the Hamm & Dean's Souper Democratic Fundraiser?

LOL
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 02:24 PM
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32. I'm already voting Ham sandwich
what else does the party want of me?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 02:31 PM
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33. How can you vote for a war-monger like Hamm?
As I've pointed out, he has not criticized Bush about Iraq, he doesn't even mention it on his website: http://www.h4p.org

A vote for Hamm is a wasted vote, the party will never unite behind him.

Vermin Love Supreme is the most unifying figure in the Democratic party today. A candidate about whom, the overwhelming majority of Democrats share the same opinion.


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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 07:12 PM
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38. I've been Pro-Vermin from the start!
But all you sellouts wanted Hamm! :grr:

 
 
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