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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:03 PM
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Mark Penn Wants More Debates, One per week (Including one on Fixed News on Feb 11)
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 02:03 PM by hnmnf
Penn: More debates! (One on Fox!)


In a conference call with reporters, Clinton strategist Mark Penn announced that Clinton would like to face off against Obama in one debate every week between now and March 4.

"The campaign believes that it’s critically important that we continue the debate," he said, citing the questions of "who offers universal healthcare and who's best prepared to fix the economy."

Debates have, generally, been stronger turf for Clinton, but it's also a mark of the shifting dynamic: You don't usually see the frontrunner demanding debates.

Penn said Clinton would like to see debates in Ohio, Texas, and Washington, and had already accepted three: One on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopolous, one CNN debate in Ohio February 7, and an MSNBC debate the next day hosted by Chris Matthews.

Wolfson also said Clinton has accepted a debate on Fox News, something Democrats shunned last year. That debate is scheduled for February 11, in Washington D.C., and would also air on the local Fox affiliate.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Penn_More_debates.html#comments

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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:04 PM
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1. What a great idea. Open one on one discussions of issues.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:26 PM
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32. yes, we can talk more about Iraq, Iran, and Wage Garnishing
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:27 PM
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33. Yes, it will be great to hear Hillary's actual words and plans rather than the
spin coming from Obamanation.
:hi: Obamanation
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:04 PM
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2. Sounds like they know they are losing. n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:12 PM
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23. The candidate in weakest position always wants to debate.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:52 PM
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41. As I said, they knew they are losing now.
The know the exit poll results from today.

They had to lose.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:04 PM
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3. That's great. Lets talk about the issues.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:05 PM
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4. Since when does The Clintons' "hatchet man" get to call the shots? Penn can't DEMAND squat.
:thumbsdown:
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:09 PM
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15. Ex-friggin-zactly
screw him-I'm surprised he didn't just so happen to mention cocaine in his sentence-scumbag. Man I truly question the Clinton's judgement when it comes to surrogates and operatives. I mean just look at where ex-Clinton-ite Dick "let me suck on your toes" Morris now is working
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:06 PM
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5. Honeslty, I know Penn is doing this because of his "polling data"
and because he is really fucking worried.

However, it's a great idea!!!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:06 PM
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6. No to Fox
I hate that propaganda mill. dems should stay off it.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:08 PM
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11. Why?
It's 90-minutes of Democratic message on a GOP network WITHOUT ANY FILTER OR COUNTERSPIN from the Repukes.

90 minutes where the Repuke dumbfu**s in "heartland America" get to hear our message UNFILTERED.


Preaching to the choir doesn't help anything. Let's take our message to THEIR audience.... and maybe open a few eyes.


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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:14 PM
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28. Remember the Fox News Congressional Black Caucus Debate?
I liked what John Edwards' camp had to say when they dropped out (Clinton and Obama soon followed):

Showing striking leadership, presidential candidate John Edwards, encouraged by Black activists, Black bloggers and Jesse Jackson, dropped out of a scheduled debate for September to be sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) and Fox News.

Edwards deputy campaign manager Jonathan Prince explained to the AP, "there's just no reason for Democrats to give Fox a platform to advance the right-wing agenda while pretending they're objective." The Edwards campaign went out of its way to point out that Edwards planned to participate in a CBC debate hosted by CNN. The Democratic National Committee has also come out in opposition to the Fox debates, excluding them from the six debates they plan to sanction.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:08 PM
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12. Agreed. More debates, but NONE on Fox News.
There is no f'n reason for our candidates to walk into that lion's den. Absolutely nothing good could come of it.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:06 PM
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7. The only reason they are calling for this today is because....
...their internals are showing that Obama is winning big today.

More debates help them try to change the dynamic. Because after today, Obama will be the front-runner.

The person running behind ALWAYS calls for more debates.



That said.... I have no problem with more debates. They are free 90-minute commercials for the Democratic party that play in front of millions of viewers without any GOP counter-spin.

This Obama supporter says SURE! Let's have more debates.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:07 PM
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8. Mark Penn stepping on Hillary's sunshine on Super Tuesday. She needs to dump this creep.
Penn's involvement in Hillary's campaign was one of the components that pushed me to Obama.

Here he is on Super Tuesday interjecting himself as the strategist for Hillary. It's all about him and his P.R. business getting publicity for itself.

Hillary really needs to fire this poisonous snake.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:10 PM
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19. I agree-Penn is not bright
She really needs to dump him.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:11 PM
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20. He is a snake, and he is poisonous.
I find Mark Penn to be vile, personally.

But... I have a feeling this is nothing more than political artistry by a veteran strategist. Has the added benefit of lowering Clinton's expectations, as if the campaign is "moving on."

But I don't really think anything much can be read into it, other than a little bit of game day artistry. :-)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:14 PM
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26. She chose him to be her spokesperson, she must want him to represent her. nt
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:49 PM
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39. Mark Penn is a Genious!
Don't question Mark Penn.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:07 PM
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9. Wasn't there an agreement from most Democratic candidates
to NOT do a debate on Fox?

Why should there be a change in that agreement now?

And the debates are getting to be less interesting at this point. We've seen one where it was just Clinton V. Obama. Positions have been discussed. What is to be gained by going over and over it?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:07 PM
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10. Who can argue against more information?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:09 PM
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14. Nobody is arguing against it.... find someone who is!
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:08 PM
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13. I'm all for debates, but 1 each week is a bit much.
Edited on Tue Feb-05-08 02:09 PM by Kittycat
It will eventually turn off those waiting to vote. The last thing we need is to put off voters by diluting it all. I wouldn't mind seeing a couple a month, or even one/month.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:13 PM
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25. actually, it'd keep Obama from campaigning in person as often.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:09 PM
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16. Desperation is setting in.
They need all the free advertising they can get.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:09 PM
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17. i think they should pass on that and do something
about the 3 trillion budget of death....
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:10 PM
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18. Sounds desperate
Wonder what scared Penn in their internal polling?

(And Obama would be a fool to agree with this.)
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:11 PM
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21. Why?
Clearly the American public prefers style over substance. I think Clinton should just get out there and sign up for dancing with the stars and get a few rock star celebrities to endorse her....then it would be game, set, match.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:11 PM
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22. Maybe once per month we could have a break from debating and simply start crying on tv for an hour.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:13 PM
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24. Meh
I'm sure I'm one of the few, but I'm getting sick of all the debates. The candidates are better off campaigning the road, imo. It's much more intimate.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:14 PM
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27. Obama needs to discontinue the debates
He needs to focus on reaching as many people as possible through his campaign appearences, and stop wasting time worrying about what contrived outrage the Clintons will dream up this week.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:15 PM
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29. Good. Let's make it about issues between the celebrities for once
Penn also must know Hillary is a better debater than Obama and has encyclopedic knowledge about policy.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:17 PM
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30. Reading the thread Obamites are hostile to the idea of having them discuss issues ONCE a week
And then Obamites ask why their candidate is seen as the American Idol candidate by so many...
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:25 PM
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31. Aren't things like this usually ironed out behind the scenes?
Penn said Clinton would like to see debates in Ohio, Texas, and Washington, and had already accepted three: One on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopolous, one CNN debate in Ohio February 7, and an MSNBC debate the next day hosted by Chris Matthews.

Wolfson also said Clinton has accepted a debate on Fox News, something Democrats shunned last year. That debate is scheduled for February 11, in Washington D.C., and would also air on the local Fox affiliate.

~~This idea would take Obama off the trails, where he does the best.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:33 PM
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34. Wow, the candidate that is low on cash has decided to deman weekly debates
:eyes: I'm so surprised.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:44 PM
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35. I hadn't thought about that.
Good point. Good idea from Clintons crew though, wonder how this one will play out.....
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:47 PM
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36. If Obama doesn't agree they'll say he's afraid to be on stage with the soon to be nominee
If he does agree she'll do another 'we are really great friends and have almost no differences between us and are untied for our party and America' and then send out hit-pieces and do negative robocalls right before the next contests (where she can afford it).

All while having Terry M tell the media how great of a Vice-President Obama will make for Hillary. (See vote for her now and you can vote for both of them in November...really...wink wink).
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:51 PM
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40. It pulls him from the campaigns trails too much.
They have scheduled 3 debates from the 7th to the 11th allready. That's abit over the top.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:48 PM
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37. We should have a debate every other day.
Seriously, they should have as many as possible, but none on Fox.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:49 PM
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38. at some point what else is there left to debate....?
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:53 PM
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42. Good question
I can see one or two more debates, but I don't see anything to be gained by 5 more debates. C'mon.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 02:56 PM
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43. I'm all for it... if the debates are in traditional style
Two podiums set apart with the ability of each person to ask the questions and not have Wolf or Tim there... and not on Foxed Noise either...
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